Is this the most arrogant........

[deltaf]

Self righteous, spiteful, contemptuous, loathful and just plain nasty posting EVER seen on PH by someone supposedly in charge of a "road safety" organisation?

Steve Callaghan Chief Speedfinder for CSCP said:

The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions. We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction. Just to cheer you up.

Thanks for that Steve, now we know where you're really coming from. :coffeebeans:

A scamera Chief said:

Dont mess with us, we're hard, we'll have you at our leisure, we also want your money you bastards.

[Balmoral Green]

The main thing that comes across for me is that it is blindingly obvious that he isnt in the slightest bit interested in road safety. Not as far as this case is concerned at any rate.

The guy was not speeding, and from what has been written he was just going with the general traffic flow too. No mention of anything about his driving either, as far as any safety aspects are concerned.

I am not sure about the issues regarding the use of a jammer, but the outcome appears to be out of all proportion. As does the sheer level of glee exhibited by Mr Egotriptinypenisimdoingnothingforsocietybutthinkiamsmugbastardwouldrunamileatsightofarealcriminalbutnotgoodenougtobeapropercoppersoidothisinsteadbecauseitstheonlywayicangetoffilivewithmymumilikeboys

[Themoss]

He didn't exactly help his cause did he? His gloating post just seemed to be designed around upsetting people even more.

It's such a shame that he chooses to post such things considering what a postion he is in. He could perhaps try and inform, and educate? Oh well....

HOWEVER, i agree with PetrolTed earlier. I think it IS important that he posts here, and we should try to bear with him. If we all just slag him off he won't bother.

We may not agree with what he says but he every right to say it.

[gopher]

Whilst I can not say anything against the man personally his posts do seem to show a sort of arrogance that seems to be born of someone who believes absolutely in what they think is right.

If you read the posts on the Cumbria Silly Cameras Site you will notice that he does not answer questions that will prove difficult for him, his beliefs or his position, and when pushed replies with insults and sarcasm – I do not believe he has answered any of the 10 pages long “Unanswered Questions” thread. On there are a number of politely asked meaningful questions about road safety and he has yet to answer one of them, and this from a site that was set up to do exactly that.

[madant69]

Troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll,troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll,troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll,troll, troll, troll,troll, troll, troll,troll, troll, troll,troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll,troll, troll, troll and troll.

And troll...

[gopher]

As far as trolling goes actually he isn't in the classic sense, he really does belive this stuff, and facts and figures just will not get in his way of "proving" what a wonderful thing cameras are.

[WildCat]

Themoss said:

He didn't exactly help his cause did he? His gloating post just seemed to be designed around upsetting people even more.

Liebchen - take a look see at his own forum It is most enlightening - especially his posts on the Ings scam. Oh - our guys found out - you type scam and it defaults to "I have just typed a blasphemous word and deserve to be banned" They had a lot of fun with that when they were actively posting there....

Themoss said:

It's such a shame that he chooses to post such things considering what a postion he is in. He could perhaps try and inform, and educate? Oh well....

Joachim (our London A&E guy) asked him straight out about education. There was no response from Steve at all. The BiB on there did give a reasonable response to one of his questions and even agreed that COAST was a good concept. Unlike lieber Steve who clearly was clueless and as far as we are aware - still has not told Joachim and Siegl what he thinks of driver education.. or even whether CSCP has any plans that way....

As for driver information - horse on there pointed Willi to the "Don't let your Driving Say It With Flowers" which appears on back of buses..... "Willi speedifonlyhecould" (another cousin of mine told you - lot of us and we are all serious "petrolheads") suggested ways in which he could further exploit a road safety campaign such towards a wider and more embracing safety message - which did include COAST... Steve was not not interested.... He got one of those arrogant responses .... Willi (who has badgered Lancs with lots of weekly letters which may or may not have been taken into account with the slightly revised policy there ...) was not impressed....

Themoss said:

HOWEVER, i agree with PetrolTed earlier. I think it IS important that he posts here, and we should try to bear with him. If we all just slag him off he won't bother. We may not agree with what he says but he every right to say it.

Ach Liebchen - I agree - trouble is - he comes out with such rubbish at times and I do find it so hard to control my claws on my keyboard when I read it ...

Perhaps he should try to meet us half way and just read us and have little think (assuming he is capable of this ) - though in fairness - did read one post of his on here which did suggest he was trying a little bit harder...

For record - have always suggested the education route and ways of introducing this in way which people could accept. Steve is just not interested and regurgitates unhelpful twaddle....

[PetrolTed]

deltaf said:

Self righteous, spiteful, contemptuous, loathful and just plain nasty posting EVER seen on PH by someone supposedly in charge of a "road safety" organisation? [quote=Steve Callaghan Chief Speedfinder for CSCP] The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions. We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction. Just to cheer you up.

I've not read the whole thread, but no, it doesn't come across as loathful, nasty etc. etc. Sounds factual.

[8Pack]

Watch out Steve'e Boy! Saturday, I'm comming through! Don't give much for your chances though.

[madant69]

Just phoned Tim (318ti) and he says it's not him...

I was convinced too...

[gopher]

PetrolTed said:

I've not read the whole thread, but no, it doesn't come across as loathful, nasty etc. etc. Sounds factual.

Come on Ted, the initial post does appear to have been made with contempt and certainly in an arrogant manner, especially when you consider the fact that this guy has no real authority or knowledge in road safety.

cheers

Paul

[PetrolTed]

As I said, I'd not read the whole post - only the quote provided.

Which thread is the whole thing on?

[PetrolTed]

Ok, I've read it.

I still think people shouldn't rise to it

[towman]

I`m sorry but I see it like this:

some PHers think its Ok to "wind up" SC, almost to the point of abuse, and then when he gives (as Ted says) a factual answer to what I assume to be a straightforward question some of you throw teddy out of the pram.

While I dont agree with his line of work, I must respect the man for having the balls to come into the lions den.

Sadly, what could have been a reasonable discussion on matters of speed has degenerated into sniping and points scoring from both camps.

A shame.

I know I`m probably going to get some stick for this post, but so be it. Scameras are now part of our daily lives. Irrespective of whether you agree with the speed limit, the fact remains that if you exceed it and are caught there is no-one to blame but yourself.

Steve

[turbobloke]

towman said:

Irrespective of whether you agree with the speed limit, the fact remains that if you exceed it and are caught there is no-one to blame but yourself. Steve

That's one view Steve but isn't it just a bit hard to comprehend the 'thinking' of those in charge who find it worthwhile to criminalise a large proportion of the generally law-abiding community by setting traps for them in the expectation that ludicrously slow speed limits will be broken. As a personal view I find my respect for politicians and the police disappearing every time I see one of these loathesome vans operating or pass a GATSO. The fact that current road safety policies are a dismal failure should be enough for every SCAMP to be disbanded immediately. Money is clearly more important than human life to the spinners who support blanket speed enforcement. Lancs SCAMP website headline saying that speed cameras are effective despite increasing road deaths says it all.
Dishonest, ineffective, counter-productive, sickening.

[IOLAIRE]

deltaf said:

Self righteous, spiteful, contemptuous, loathful and just plain nasty posting EVER seen on PH by someone supposedly in charge of a "road safety" organisation? [quote=Steve Callaghan Chief Speedfinder for CSCP] The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions. We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction. Just to cheer you up.

I have a wee message for this man Callaghan.
I'm here now. You and others of a like ilk are what motivates me. You serve no useful purpose to the community whatsoever. By your very words and actions you demonstrate a total disregard for the law, natural justice, morality and integrity. You have no idea of the essence of road safety and good driving. I am going to make sure you become obsolete, exposed and discarded.

[towman]

towman said:

some PHers think its Ok to "wind up" SC, almost to the point of abuse

IOLAIRE said:

I have a wee message for this man Callaghan. I'm here now. You and others of a like ilk are what motivates me. You serve no useful purpose to the community whatsoever. By your very words and actions you demonstrate a total disregard for the law, natural justice, morality and integrity. You have no idea of the essence of road safety and good driving. I am going to make sure you become obsolete, exposed and discarded.

I rest my case m`lud.

>> Edited by towman on Saturday 18th September 02:17

[Pigeon]

towman said:

I`m sorry but I see it like this: some PHers think its Ok to "wind up" SC, almost to the point of abuse, and then when he gives (as Ted says) a factual answer to what I assume to be a straightforward question some of you throw teddy out of the pram. While I dont agree with his line of work, I must respect the man for having the balls to come into the lions den. Sadly, what could have been a reasonable discussion on matters of speed has degenerated into sniping and points scoring from both camps. A shame. I know I`m probably going to get some stick for this post, but so be it.

I've been thinking of posting similar myself. I don't agree with his line of work but I am glad that he makes his viewpoint available to us. Of course most of us will disagree violently, but that is better conveyed by logical argument than by abuse.

[WildCat]

Pigeon said:

towman said: I`m sorry but I see it like this: some PHers think its Ok to "wind up" SC, almost to the point of abuse, and then when he gives (as Ted says) a factual answer to what I assume to be a straightforward question some of you throw teddy out of the pram. While I dont agree with his line of work, I must respect the man for having the balls to come into the lions den. Sadly, what could have been a reasonable discussion on matters of speed has degenerated into sniping and points scoring from both camps. A shame. I know I`m probably going to get some stick for this post, but so be it. I've been thinking of posting similar myself. I don't agree with his line of work but I am glad that he makes his viewpoint available to us. Of course most of us will disagree violently, but that is better conveyed by logical argument than by abuse.

Ach Pigeon - if you read his site - you will find that Steve is fairly abusive himself on there. Back in July - two members of this family visited me. They drive according to speed limit as there is nasty tendency to lock up speeding foreign motorists in cells overnight "in case they abscond before paying their fines " He pointed his laser thingy at them at Ings - before speed limit change (they were legal) - as he does with everyone else. They were most unamused and visited his website to find out more about his talivan timetables as result. On that site's forum they discovered a load of nonsense about driving and speed enforcement abroad and set record straight to all posters on there as they were all showing some ignorance of foreign motoring laws. They challenged Steve about the speed trap at Ings (Siegl has something to do with motoring laws and enforcement and Axel is a senior ranking policeman back where they live.) Steve's only response to them was asinine beyond belief and he dismissed "RoadCraft" as nonsense at one point in all this.

The only "official" who posted a reasoned response to Siegl was Ian - the cop!

As for his attitude on the laser jamming person who was not speeding at all ..... his post may be giving facts as to how he dealt with it - but that hardly commends him as reasoned bloke - more as proof that he zaps anything which moves. His speed trap on A66 is more a test on whether or not the driver knows difference between a two-laned single carriageway and a dual carriageway. He could include this piece of valuable "road safety information" on the back of the buses as well as his "Speed Kills" one (not saying he should abandon this - rather that he would do more for his credibility if he expanded the project and included other aspects of road safety information)

But the problem is - he seems to gloat and register his cash rather that tackle the problem - und that ist really why I attack him...

As for answering questions - where are his answers even on his own forum? All the questions were asked in polite and direct way when I read all 10 pages of the thread .... which did take longer time than I thought - lot of questions .....

Cannot see where he thinks those are "offensive"

[medicineman]

It come back to a valuble point made by Paul Smith, how good is a law when 90% of the people who are supposed to obey it break it.