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excel monkey said:
Automated manuals like iShift are not popular. The technology is still new and untried, and rightly or wrongly, they're seen as fragile and expensive to fix.
Google "Honda iShift" and see what comes up. Or for that matter, try "Ford Durashift" or "Toyota MMT".
On your advise, I typed ishift into google (again) and there was a long write up from a user of one. It seems that the problem is with people that haven't/can't or won't adapt to it. I have used all sorts of transmissions so this should be less of a problem. Any car I get will be run for a long time, 10 years or more, so as long as they are reliable they sound like they might be worth looking into. Google "Honda iShift" and see what comes up. Or for that matter, try "Ford Durashift" or "Toyota MMT".
Willy Nilly said:
On your advise, I typed ishift into google (again) and there was a long write up from a user of one. It seems that the problem is with people that haven't/can't or won't adapt to it. I have used all sorts of transmissions so this should be less of a problem.
Sorry if I appeared patronising by suggesting you use Google.Assume you skipped over the pages headed "2006- Civic i-SHIFT....STUCK IN GEAR....HELP" and "Transmission Issues with Honda Civic i-shift - Page 2"
Obviously anything can look bad on the internet if you go looking for faults, and people are more likely to write about bad experiences than good experiences, but although Honda has a great reputation for the smoothness and reliability of its torque converter automatics, it seems to be struggling with this new technology.
The idea of an automated manual certainly makes sense. I think the execution is just taking a while to get right, for all manufacturers not just Honda. If you do want to go ahead and get one, I'd recommend buying from a dealer and getting a comprehensive warranty.
excel monkey said:
Willy Nilly said:
On your advise, I typed ishift into google (again) and there was a long write up from a user of one. It seems that the problem is with people that haven't/can't or won't adapt to it. I have used all sorts of transmissions so this should be less of a problem.
Sorry if I appeared patronising by suggesting you use Google.Assume you skipped over the pages headed "2006- Civic i-SHIFT....STUCK IN GEAR....HELP" and "Transmission Issues with Honda Civic i-shift - Page 2"
Obviously anything can look bad on the internet if you go looking for faults, and people are more likely to write about bad experiences than good experiences, but although Honda has a great reputation for the smoothness and reliability of its torque converter automatics, it seems to be struggling with this new technology.
The idea of an automated manual certainly makes sense. I think the execution is just taking a while to get right, for all manufacturers not just Honda. If you do want to go ahead and get one, I'd recommend buying from a dealer and getting a comprehensive warranty.
It looks like there were a few problems with and related to the software, so maybe by the time I come to get one it will all be sorted out. Hopefully my car will last another couple of years, but when I do change cars it what ever I get needs to be right because I'll keep it so long.
I do wonder how much of the problems comes down to people being used to a manual or slush box and not using i-shift properly and buggering it up, so Honda have to write some software to take the muppets into account.
You can't judge a car by a write up - you need to drive it!
Its the same with Hifi - how many people buy one without listening to it and comparing to others? You can only judge one with your ears.
I have driven a Mazda 2 2004 vintage and its like you are steering but someone else is doing everything else, and there was a big long pause between gear changes. Just really annoying.
Its the same with Hifi - how many people buy one without listening to it and comparing to others? You can only judge one with your ears.
I have driven a Mazda 2 2004 vintage and its like you are steering but someone else is doing everything else, and there was a big long pause between gear changes. Just really annoying.
I tried a Jazz with i-shift last year, thinking that I have had Honda automatics for more than 30 years and the only thing wrong with i-shift was that people didn't really understand how to drive it. I was wrong, it was unreservedly horrible. The words ill-conceived don't begin to cover it. i understand Honda have gone back to the CVT auto for the Jazz.
It did surprise me that Honda got it so wrong, I thought most Honda autos were some sort of manual with automation. At 15 years old (the car) I have just retired my Prelude vti, which had the best autobox I had owned until then, and replaced it with an Accord with a five-speed auto with paddle shifters that seems even better.
It did surprise me that Honda got it so wrong, I thought most Honda autos were some sort of manual with automation. At 15 years old (the car) I have just retired my Prelude vti, which had the best autobox I had owned until then, and replaced it with an Accord with a five-speed auto with paddle shifters that seems even better.
Here in Israel automatics are very popular, in fact over 80% of the cars sold here are automatics. Both Toyota MMT and Honda I-Shift cars were sold here as "robotic automatics" but very quickly withdrawn from the market. I tried both and they were really terrible to drive, with jerky gear changes, and rolling backwards on hills. I would not recommend either of these gearboxes. I run a Jazz Hybrid with a CVT gearbox, not perfect, but certainly a lot better than I-Shift. How is it that Volkswagen's DSG gearbox is so good, and why can't other manufacturers make gearboxes like the DSG.
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