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Not me - far too much effort.
Talking to a girl at work who has a 10k run in a couple of months. She hasn't done any training but managed 10k last night in 60 mins. I'm not an expert but is that not pretty impressive (assuming it's true) for a first ever attempt at it?
I'm not disbelieving her, just intrigued as I always imagined it would be quite a push to run 10k without any training especially in an hour.
Talking to a girl at work who has a 10k run in a couple of months. She hasn't done any training but managed 10k last night in 60 mins. I'm not an expert but is that not pretty impressive (assuming it's true) for a first ever attempt at it?
I'm not disbelieving her, just intrigued as I always imagined it would be quite a push to run 10k without any training especially in an hour.
I would say yes and yes.
Does she do any other form of exercise? Or is she a couch potato? If its the latter then I would find it had to believe she could get up and run 10k, in a respectable time as well. It took me about 6-8 weeks I think (rolling back the years now...).
If she has done it then she probarbly wants to take it easy as she'll injure herself (the body needs time to adapt to running long distances, too much too soon and you'll end up on the treatment table)
Does she do any other form of exercise? Or is she a couch potato? If its the latter then I would find it had to believe she could get up and run 10k, in a respectable time as well. It took me about 6-8 weeks I think (rolling back the years now...).
If she has done it then she probarbly wants to take it easy as she'll injure herself (the body needs time to adapt to running long distances, too much too soon and you'll end up on the treatment table)
dave_s13 said:
It's 10min/mile pace (ish) which is a steady jog for me and if she's otherwise fit not impossible.
But, unless she is accurately measuring the distance she could be doing much less than 10k,some people will go out for a run and when asked say "did about 5 miles" but actually did 3.
But, unless she is accurately measuring the distance she could be doing much less than 10k,some people will go out for a run and when asked say "did about 5 miles" but actually did 3.
I was rather disappointed when I got my Garmin dave_s13 said:
It's 10min/mile pace (ish) which is a steady jog for me and if she's otherwise fit not impossible.
But, unless she is accurately measuring the distance she could be doing much less than 10k,some people will go out for a run and when asked say "did about 5 miles" but actually did 3.
That was my first thought but it was on a treadmill so probably accurate. Although I imagine it will be easier on a treadmill as opposed to outside?But, unless she is accurately measuring the distance she could be doing much less than 10k,some people will go out for a run and when asked say "did about 5 miles" but actually did 3.
She's not a couch potato but not a fitness freak either. Goes through stages of going for jogs etc and then sitting in a sauna as a workout. Had never run more than 5k before so not bad going.
She also has a 21k run in at the end of May which will be more of a challenge.
pilchardthecat said:
I hadn't run more than a couple of miles for maybe 10 years, as i get shin pain.
Last year i discovered minimalist running shoes, my first "test" run in the new shoes i ran 18.5km.... only stopped because it was dinner time
So yes, entirely feasible.
minimalist running shoes help shin pain?Last year i discovered minimalist running shoes, my first "test" run in the new shoes i ran 18.5km.... only stopped because it was dinner time
So yes, entirely feasible.
ali4390 said:
Not me - far too much effort.
Talking to a girl at work who has a 10k run in a couple of months. She hasn't done any training but managed 10k last night in 60 mins. I'm not an expert but is that not pretty impressive (assuming it's true) for a first ever attempt at it?
I'm not disbelieving her, just intrigued as I always imagined it would be quite a push to run 10k without any training especially in an hour.
60 mins for a 10k is nothing special, but for someone who just off a couch it is!Talking to a girl at work who has a 10k run in a couple of months. She hasn't done any training but managed 10k last night in 60 mins. I'm not an expert but is that not pretty impressive (assuming it's true) for a first ever attempt at it?
I'm not disbelieving her, just intrigued as I always imagined it would be quite a push to run 10k without any training especially in an hour.
I did a 10k about 18 months ago…well it was a 10k assault course that I did in about an hour (I think it was 1 or 2 minutes under). However, I did do some running for it but I only got up to about 5-6k max. I definitely didn’t put as much work in as I should.
So although it is not impossible, it is very slim that someone can without any running or cardio training can jump up and run a straight 10k. Most people would struggle to run a mile without collapsing in reality.
RacerMDR said:
pilchardthecat said:
I hadn't run more than a couple of miles for maybe 10 years, as i get shin pain.
Last year i discovered minimalist running shoes, my first "test" run in the new shoes i ran 18.5km.... only stopped because it was dinner time
So yes, entirely feasible.
minimalist running shoes help shin pain?Last year i discovered minimalist running shoes, my first "test" run in the new shoes i ran 18.5km.... only stopped because it was dinner time
So yes, entirely feasible.
king fantastic.pilchardthecat said:
RacerMDR said:
pilchardthecat said:
I hadn't run more than a couple of miles for maybe 10 years, as i get shin pain.
Last year i discovered minimalist running shoes, my first "test" run in the new shoes i ran 18.5km.... only stopped because it was dinner time
So yes, entirely feasible.
minimalist running shoes help shin pain?Last year i discovered minimalist running shoes, my first "test" run in the new shoes i ran 18.5km.... only stopped because it was dinner time
So yes, entirely feasible.
king fantastic.For some reason in my head minimalist running shoes would mean more impact? Do you have a link for the ones you use?
ta
The key to minimalist or natural running is correct style; short paces, high cadence, don't overstride, land with foot under body, forefoot strike not heel.
I would caution against going out and running any kind of distance at first. The pressures and loads are different and you need to adapt. Even if you currently run 10s of Km I would cut right back to a few minutes running at most when you transition to a natural running style.
That said I am a huge fan of natural running. I see a great deal of patients with leg pain who I am sure could be helped by running re-education to a natural style. Once you have a good running style/ forefoot strike you can use what ever shoes you wish. The impact forces are about 50% of those heelstriking.
I think 10km in an hour is pretty respectable, for a non-runner.
I would caution against going out and running any kind of distance at first. The pressures and loads are different and you need to adapt. Even if you currently run 10s of Km I would cut right back to a few minutes running at most when you transition to a natural running style.
That said I am a huge fan of natural running. I see a great deal of patients with leg pain who I am sure could be helped by running re-education to a natural style. Once you have a good running style/ forefoot strike you can use what ever shoes you wish. The impact forces are about 50% of those heelstriking.
I think 10km in an hour is pretty respectable, for a non-runner.
RacerMDR said:
On the running thread I've mentioned that I have suffered from shin pain forever.........I have two pairs of good running trainers.....that I alternate. (as per my physio)
For some reason in my head minimalist running shoes would mean more impact? Do you have a link for the ones you use?
ta
I have New Balance Minimus MT10s as i prefer to run trails/mudFor some reason in my head minimalist running shoes would mean more impact? Do you have a link for the ones you use?
ta
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/new-balance-mt10-minimus-d...
They completely change the way you run - you are forced to use a mid-foot/forefoot strike instead of a heel strike, hence the impact is absorbed naturally by the leg. Heel striking even in squishy cushioned shoes completely kills my shins.
RacerMDR said:
On the running thread I've mentioned that I have suffered from shin pain forever.........I have two pairs of good running trainers.....that I alternate. (as per my physio)
For some reason in my head minimalist running shoes would mean more impact? Do you have a link for the ones you use?
ta
They should encourage you to land on your forefoot/midfoot so the foot and calf muscles absorb the impact rather than landing on the heel and the leg bones taking the impact.For some reason in my head minimalist running shoes would mean more impact? Do you have a link for the ones you use?
ta
However, there is nothing to stop you landing fore/midfoot in "normal" trainers. If you already mid-foot strike in normal trainers then switching to minimalist shoes is unlikely to help any issues. If you heel-strike in normal trainers then minimalist (or low/zero-drop - they don't have to be thin, just flat) shoes might help, but many people advocate "Form before footwear".
pilchardthecat said:
ewenm said:
However, there is nothing to stop you landing fore/midfoot in "normal" trainers. .
There is - the huge 1-inch-plus heel drop in normal running shoes, i find it impossible to run with mid-foot strike without a very small/no heel drop
) make enough of a difference. You might find you have more power (and hence a faster pace) if you shorten your stride a little.All this is conjecture, but from watching videos of others with the same issues with "normal" shoes (and videos on the track are the best way to analyse it) a very slight over-stride is the most common underlying cause I've seen. I'm glad the low/zero-drop shoes work for you though.
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