How hard is it to get BGA paperwork?
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I might be in with a chance of acquiring a free AS K8 glider. One snag - if doesnt have any paperwork whatsoever to go with it.
Now, having seen the size of the papertrail ringbinder for my club's Astir CS, I am forming a good idea of why this K8 is being given away (that and its universally recognised as a not brilliant glider anyway).
So can anyone tell me how much time/hassle/cost etc will be involved in recertifying it? I imagine it will need the most comprehensive of airworthiness services if it is condition unknown.
Now, having seen the size of the papertrail ringbinder for my club's Astir CS, I am forming a good idea of why this K8 is being given away (that and its universally recognised as a not brilliant glider anyway).
So can anyone tell me how much time/hassle/cost etc will be involved in recertifying it? I imagine it will need the most comprehensive of airworthiness services if it is condition unknown.
Have you asked whoever manages the kit at your club? They may be able to offer advice.
Unfortunately i thin it's worth nothing without paperwork, even for spares. Has it been checked for airworthiness etc, ignoring the paperwork for now, is it even flyable or has it been dismantled in a hangar for decades?
Is it wearing a G-registration? This would indicate it was on the radar until recently.
A tidy K8 with full paperwork would be worth about £4k so any remedial work or paperwork replacement costs and you are quickly at the point where it might be better to avoid it
Unfortunately i thin it's worth nothing without paperwork, even for spares. Has it been checked for airworthiness etc, ignoring the paperwork for now, is it even flyable or has it been dismantled in a hangar for decades?
Is it wearing a G-registration? This would indicate it was on the radar until recently.
A tidy K8 with full paperwork would be worth about £4k so any remedial work or paperwork replacement costs and you are quickly at the point where it might be better to avoid it
It's not a bad glider considering it's age. Should be cheap to maintain too. Although, I spent many hours flying backwards over Aston Down due to it's inability in a strong headwind!
Before looking at the paperwork side, does it come with all it's bits, including a trailer? Do you personally know the history of the aircraft? Has it got so much as it's daily inspection logs?
Personally, I wouldn't buy a car with no V5 and history, nevermind an aircraft.
Alternatively, look at a share. An older steel and wooden glider is not expensive when shared with 3 club members and it's a good way to become more involved before you step up to the expensive plastic ships.
Be aware though, it's usually only aircraft or cars, not both!
Before looking at the paperwork side, does it come with all it's bits, including a trailer? Do you personally know the history of the aircraft? Has it got so much as it's daily inspection logs?
Personally, I wouldn't buy a car with no V5 and history, nevermind an aircraft.
Alternatively, look at a share. An older steel and wooden glider is not expensive when shared with 3 club members and it's a good way to become more involved before you step up to the expensive plastic ships.
Be aware though, it's usually only aircraft or cars, not both!
Hi, thanks for the replies. It has no paperwork, no registration, no trailer, no nothing.
The description reads:
As far as storage is concerned, I'm sure I could find a spare slot down the side of someone's hangar at BGGC as when de-rigged they dont take up much room at all - In fact I reckon it would just about go in one side of my double garage at home if needs be....
The description reads:
advert said:
Donated to the Gliding Heritage Centre, Lasham, but this glider is surplus to our requirements. No trailer and no documentation. Last flown at Oerlinghausen GC, Germany, believed to be once registered as BGA 3514.
I presume in this case that certificaton is going to cost almost as much as a good ready-to-fly K8 hence the disposal advert. As I am not solo yet I would probably approach people to form a syndicate to share all costs on the same ratio as we share the flight time in itAs far as storage is concerned, I'm sure I could find a spare slot down the side of someone's hangar at BGGC as when de-rigged they dont take up much room at all - In fact I reckon it would just about go in one side of my double garage at home if needs be....
Edited by mat777 on Tuesday 26th February 11:41
Trailer? How are you going to get it into your garage. Which, quite frankley, is a crazy idea.
In my experience, you don't want to be derigging the older aircraft each day. They need to be hangered. Aside from anything, they weigh a tonne!
If you're not solo yet, don't even think about it. Use the club gliders as you progress through your badges.
How close to solo are you? IIRC I went solo in 26 hours, although the first flight was a case of launching a K13, checking over my shoulder to confirm I was still alone and then landing immediately!
After the solo flight and more practice in a K13 I progressed onto the K8. I think I flew it until I got my silver badge and then moved onto a K6. This was a much better, although old, aircraft. It could fly into a head wind much better than the 8.
All this was a good while ago now the. Aston Down, where I learned to fly, replaced their K13s and 8s a few years ago.
If you want to go for an older aircraft, a K6 will stretch you more than an 8 will.
I'm not sure how you will wangle it for free though???
In my experience, you don't want to be derigging the older aircraft each day. They need to be hangered. Aside from anything, they weigh a tonne!
If you're not solo yet, don't even think about it. Use the club gliders as you progress through your badges.
How close to solo are you? IIRC I went solo in 26 hours, although the first flight was a case of launching a K13, checking over my shoulder to confirm I was still alone and then landing immediately!
After the solo flight and more practice in a K13 I progressed onto the K8. I think I flew it until I got my silver badge and then moved onto a K6. This was a much better, although old, aircraft. It could fly into a head wind much better than the 8.
All this was a good while ago now the. Aston Down, where I learned to fly, replaced their K13s and 8s a few years ago.
If you want to go for an older aircraft, a K6 will stretch you more than an 8 will.
I'm not sure how you will wangle it for free though???
Full Advert said:
Donated to the Gliding Heritage Centre, Lasham, but this glider is surplus to our requirements. No trailer and no documentation. Last flown at Oerlinghausen GC, Germany, believed to be once registered as BGA 3514.
Viewed by arrangement at Lasham. The GHC will deliver the aircraft free upto 100 miles from Lasham.
Offers and viewing of this glider should be directed to Gary Pullen of the Lasham GHC
This one looks similar to the one you're looking at, although it's most certainly not going to be free....Viewed by arrangement at Lasham. The GHC will deliver the aircraft free upto 100 miles from Lasham.
Offers and viewing of this glider should be directed to Gary Pullen of the Lasham GHC
I agree, if you were a glider restoration enthusiast and you had all the connections with the workshops and good skills in restoring old wooden gliders I'd say go for it.
Good point about derigging and rigging as well. That'll get boring very fast.
There is that saying "aircraft fly on paperwork" .. I think this is what will bite you.
You won't be able to certify the instruments without the paper trail .. nor will you be able to prove that airworthiness directives have been done, etc.
IMO use club gliders until you have your Silver and want to go cross country consistently then look to get a share in a ASW19/K6/Pegase etc
Good point about derigging and rigging as well. That'll get boring very fast.
There is that saying "aircraft fly on paperwork" .. I think this is what will bite you.
You won't be able to certify the instruments without the paper trail .. nor will you be able to prove that airworthiness directives have been done, etc.
IMO use club gliders until you have your Silver and want to go cross country consistently then look to get a share in a ASW19/K6/Pegase etc
Edited by essayer on Tuesday 26th February 15:51
I have a K8 myself and need a trailer, so if you can get the aircraft for free then you can sell me the trailer and make a profit. The perspex canopy if in good nick is worth a grand - thats £1000 plus for those not in the know. A gentlemans carriage - more like the Morris Minor of the skies.
blasterbates said:
I have a K8 myself and need a trailer, so if you can get the aircraft for free then you can sell me the trailer and make a profit. The perspex canopy if in good nick is worth a grand - thats £1000 plus for those not in the know. A gentlemans carriage - more like the Morris Minor of the skies.
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