turbo charging ^^
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theheff

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31 posts

167 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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hey guys need a little advice, before anyone begins i know its not particualrly worth it and i might aswell get a better car/ better engine, i know XD

im thinking about turboing my endura 1.3 ka with the turbo from a 1.8 endura transit, but i need to know how closely matched are the manifolds between the two engines, obv im setting up a seperate oil pump and feeds for the turbo so thats not an issue intake pipes ect ect, its just the manifolds im stuck with now, appart from de carbonising the insides and welding a new nut for the lambda i dont really want to put more than a 2days work into making the manifold fit as ill also be heatwraping it
anyhelp would be fantastic, im also going to be moving the rad forwards buy roughtly 1 1/2 inches and then cutting into the front bumper to make room for the intercooler, but thats not an issue

JordanTurbo

937 posts

170 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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ImDesigner

1,961 posts

223 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Why would you want to. It's hardly the most desirable of unit is it - a turbo from a Transit?

HustleRussell

26,487 posts

189 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Bolts straight on mate, engines are practically the same laugh

Super Slo Mo

5,374 posts

227 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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ImDesigner said:
Why would you want to. It's hardly the most desirable of unit is it - a turbo from a Transit?
Not quite sure what that means? A turbo's no less desireable because it's off a transit is it? It'll be a Garrett or something anyway, obviously the spec varies, but it'll be overkill for a 1.3 engine anyway.

OP, serious response from me (not sure if you're trolling but I'll give the benefit of the doubt).

Manifolds are unlikely to match, but the easy way to find out is to get the transit one and try it. Probably the easier way to do things is make a new manifold, or make an adaptor to fit the turbo to your manifold.

Anyway, assuming you can do that, and also sort the rest of the plumbing, how are you going to control the whole thing? Turbo engines generally need different compression ratios etc, to stop them self-destructing. I daresay you could run it at lower pressure, but not sure how you're achieve that.

There are people on PH who know a lot about this sort of thing, turbocharging is a bit of a science, just bolting up a turbo is asking for trouble if you don't have an idea of what else to do (I'm making a bit of an assumption from your opening post).

However, it'll be an interesting little project, remember to start a build thread for us all to read when you do it. Of course it's probably pointless, but that's not why people modify cars.

mattyc69

337 posts

181 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Ok to start with I am going to have a rant. This whole "I am gonna turbo my car because I am a real petrol head and I need 700hp as my car is too slow" even though I understand nothing about engines really fks me off. There is so much involved in doing it properly so why the fk do you want to bolt on a stty transit turbo to a ka. Are you updating the fuelling for the engine the ignition etc..........

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

219 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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theheff said:
hey guys need a little advice, before anyone begins i know its not particualrly worth it and i might aswell get a better car/ better engine, i know XD

im thinking about turboing my endura 1.3 ka with the turbo from a 1.8 endura transit, but i need to know how closely matched are the manifolds between the two engines, obv im setting up a seperate oil pump and feeds for the turbo so thats not an issue intake pipes ect ect, its just the manifolds im stuck with now, appart from de carbonising the insides and welding a new nut for the lambda i dont really want to put more than a 2days work into making the manifold fit as ill also be heatwraping it
anyhelp would be fantastic, im also going to be moving the rad forwards buy roughtly 1 1/2 inches and then cutting into the front bumper to make room for the intercooler, but thats not an issue
Honestly there is no point in doing this. Just buy a SporkKA if you want more power or look at something worthwhile. The hassle, cost, effort and additional insurance just make it no point in doing.

If you must, then I suspect you'd find it easier to mount the turbo at the back of the car, Google STS Turbo's to get an idea of how this is done.

DAVEVO9

3,469 posts

296 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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theheff said:
hey guys need a little advice, before anyone begins i know its not particualrly worth it and i might aswell get a better car/ better engine, i know XD

im thinking about turboing my endura 1.3 ka with the turbo from a 1.8 endura transit, but i need to know how closely matched are the manifolds between the two engines, obv im setting up a seperate oil pump and feeds for the turbo so thats not an issue intake pipes ect ect, its just the manifolds im stuck with now, appart from de carbonising the insides and welding a new nut for the lambda i dont really want to put more than a 2days work into making the manifold fit as ill also be heatwraping it
anyhelp would be fantastic, im also going to be moving the rad forwards buy roughtly 1 1/2 inches and then cutting into the front bumper to make room for the intercooler, but thats not an issue

ImDesigner

1,961 posts

223 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Super Slo Mo said:
ImDesigner said:
Why would you want to. It's hardly the most desirable of unit is it - a turbo from a Transit?
Not quite sure what that means? A turbo's no less desireable because it's off a transit is it? It'll be a Garrett or something anyway, obviously the spec varies, but it'll be overkill for a 1.3 engine anyway.
Not sure what it means? I'll break it down further. Why not go for a proven turbo that would actually suit the OP's engine capacity and maybe even character?

theheff

Original Poster:

31 posts

167 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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loving the pics btw, legends, im not looking for a huge increase in power as for such a light car its pointless, of course ill do a build post for you all, also great idea on the rear mounted turbo may be worth a think, thanks for the replys, even if some of them arnt quite useful, i know theres not much point in doing this, but im going to anyway ^^

TheLastPost

1,150 posts

170 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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This guy's profile claims him to be an ex-Ford technician.

I'm pretty sure that an ex-Ford technician would know that the Endura-D SOHC diesel engine fitted to the Transit is completely unrelated to the Endura-E 1.3 (Kent Crossflow derived) pushrod petrol engine fitted to the Ka.


KingNothing

3,336 posts

182 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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My advice, don't bother.

theheff

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31 posts

167 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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ex ford tech age of twenty only worked in the new car department 51 plate and up

theheff

Original Poster:

31 posts

167 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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and most cars of the same year have certain interchangable parts e.g. rear hub carriers have the same mounting points on a ka as they do on a focus, so if wanted to do a rear disc conversion it wouldn't be difficult, another example the 1.25 fiesta has the same exhaust manifold mounting points as the 1.6, different engine same mount, just because im asking a question for clarity dos'nt make me a freaking moron

Super Slo Mo

5,374 posts

227 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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ImDesigner said:
Super Slo Mo said:
ImDesigner said:
Why would you want to. It's hardly the most desirable of unit is it - a turbo from a Transit?
Not quite sure what that means? A turbo's no less desireable because it's off a transit is it? It'll be a Garrett or something anyway, obviously the spec varies, but it'll be overkill for a 1.3 engine anyway.
Not sure what it means? I'll break it down further. Why not go for a proven turbo that would actually suit the OP's engine capacity and maybe even character?
That wasn't what you said though, or even implied, just that a turbo from a transit wouldn't be very desirable (the implication being that it's st because it's off a Tranny, apologies if this was misinterpreted, but that's how I read the statement).

I agree, your second statement makes more sense, a smaller turbo would be better, it depends if he has a transit one just lying around that's free, and thus available to use.

theheff

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31 posts

167 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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i dont have on free but i can get one for 20 quid complete unit, only 35k miles

300bhp/ton

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219 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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theheff said:
i know theres not much point in doing this, but im going to anyway ^^
Then why? For the same effort you could attain something so much better.

DAVEVO9

3,469 posts

296 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Just put an old RS turbo lump in it.

http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/car-talk/207350-for...

theheff

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31 posts

167 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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im well open to suggestions, the only reason, ive chosen one from the transit is i can pick up a low milage one on the cheap, id much rather have a garret or a van aaken, but the prices are a little out of my league atm

TheLastPost

1,150 posts

170 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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theheff said:
and most cars of the same year have certain interchangable parts ...just because im asking a question for clarity dos'nt make me a freaking moron
Fine, fine.

Try bolting a 1.0 EcoBoost engine up to a 2.0 EcoBoost gearbox, or a Zetec SE engine up to a Zetec gearbox, then come back and tell us how compatible Ford engine parts are...