Amazing skill or fake ?
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V41LEY

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MocMocaMoc

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170 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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Not wanting to sound like a total fool, but they reckon X Plane is a realistic simulation, and you can chuck a plane around like that no problem.

I've often wondered, really??? Just how much stress and sharp direction change can a real plane handle? Maybe they can but no one wants to scare the living sh*t out of the passengers? Ha.

Anyways, to me that looks like an RC model. But all I know about aviation I learnt from 5 minutes playing X Plane, so... You know.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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It is a real incident but how genuine the apparent loss of control of the systems on the aircraft were has still not been established.

jonnyb

2,590 posts

281 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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Its real.
As Eric said its an apparent loss of control incident. Personally, I call it muppetry.

LotusOmega375D

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182 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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About 20-odd years ago I remember seeing a home video clip on the News of an early fly-by-wire Airbus (possibly A320), which had gone similarly doolally, I think over France. I can't seem to find the clip on-line.

Eric Mc

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294 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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LotusOmega375D said:
About 20-odd years ago I remember seeing a home video clip on the News of an early fly-by-wire Airbus (possibly A320), which had gone similarly doolally, I think over France. I can't seem to find the clip on-line.
It was an A310 - which was not fly by wire.

jonnyb

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Monday 11th March 2013
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LotusOmega375D said:
About 20-odd years ago I remember seeing a home video clip on the News of an early fly-by-wire Airbus (possibly A320), which had gone similarly doolally, I think over France. I can't seem to find the clip on-line.
If its the same one I'm thinking of it was a BA 320 and the crew were trying to get it out of the hold. Lets just say those guys came bottom of their conversion class.

Eric Mc

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Monday 11th March 2013
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No I am pretty sure it's the footage taken by a person who was shopping in an open air market somewhere in France who noticed an A310 gyrating above his head and managed to get a video camera on it.

I think it was a Russian or Rumanian Airbus.

dr_gn

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213 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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I thought the o/p was of an aircraft that malfunctioned during a test flight after maintenance - or something like that?

Eric Mc

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Monday 11th March 2013
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That's what I thought too.

bob1179

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238 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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I was in Russia when this happened. From what I understand the Tupolev in the video had been in storage for almost a decade and they basically fired it up and took it for a high speed run down the runway. I don't think it was ever supposed to get airborne. The fact it even flew was a miracle.

smile


Mister V

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229 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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Eric Mc said:
No I am pretty sure it's the footage taken by a person who was shopping in an open air market somewhere in France who noticed an A310 gyrating above his head and managed to get a video camera on it.

I think it was a Russian or Rumanian Airbus.
Is this what you are referring to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlMdMTy8JLg

stain

1,053 posts

239 months

Monday 11th March 2013
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My problem with the TU incident is the lack of muck exiting the exhaust.

Eric Mc

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294 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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Mister V said:
Is this what you are referring to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlMdMTy8JLg
That's it. The clip is from the very good Channel 4 series, "Black Box".

LotusOmega375D

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182 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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Well done chaps. That's the one. After 15 - 20 years stored in my noggin, I got most of the details right, just the wrong Airbus type!

What was the cause of the erratic flying on that occasion?

bob1179

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238 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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LotusOmega375D said:
Well done chaps. That's the one. After 15 - 20 years stored in my noggin, I got most of the details right, just the wrong Airbus type!

What was the cause of the erratic flying on that occasion?
I think it was caused by unfamiliarity with the aircraft and the pilots not understanding the way the aircraft was controlled by it's various computers.
They were trying to do one thing whilst the computer wanted the plane to do something else, this caused the aircraft to lose control. Had they taken their hands off the controls, the aircraft would have righted itself. This was similar to what happened with an Aeroflot A310 in the mid nineties. If the pilots had let the computers sort out the issue (as they were designed to) it more than likely would not have crashed.

smile

Mister V

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229 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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For anyone who is interested someone has uploaded the "Black Box" series to youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/user/bjones4/videos?view=1&...

(scroll to the bottom)

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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The only mistake they made was that the colour scheme used on the graphics depicting the KLM/Pan Am 747 collision at Tenerife used the wrong colour scheme for the KLM aircraft.

Fat Fairy

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215 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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Eric Mc said:
The only mistake they made was that the colour scheme used on the graphics depicting the KLM/Pan Am 747 collision at Tenerife used the wrong colour scheme for the KLM aircraft.
Well, that and the fact that the TV morons call the damned Crash Recorder 'The Black Box'!!! Its ORANGE, and no one in aviation calls it the Black Box!!! Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgh!!!

And breathe............

FF

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 12th March 2013
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It doesn't take away from the programme though - which was pretty good. I think it was broadcast around 1997 originally. It is sort of the prototype for National Geographic's "Air Crash Detective".