Track days and disqualication.
Discussion
TDIfurby said:
I'm glad those checks are done as not sure I'd want to share a track with someone who was disqualified.
Interesting observation - why?No vested interest, am not / have not been disqualified myself, just seems like (dis)qualified status is an odd thing to be worried about (other than for the TDO from what is most likely a liability point of view)
Way I see it they'll get re-qualified in time and you'll be sharing the roads & maybe the track. They'll be the same person as when they were disqualified, and let's face it, the reasons why they might be disqualified are diverse, be it medical, speeding, what have you..
Equally there are people who aren't disqualified I'd rather not share a track (or the road) with, but..
upsidedownmark said:
TDIfurby said:
I'm glad those checks are done as not sure I'd want to share a track with someone who was disqualified.
Interesting observation - why?No vested interest, am not / have not been disqualified myself, just seems like (dis)qualified status is an odd thing to be worried about (other than for the TDO from what is most likely a liability point of view)
Way I see it they'll get re-qualified in time and you'll be sharing the roads & maybe the track. They'll be the same person as when they were disqualified, and let's face it, the reasons why they might be disqualified are diverse, be it medical, speeding, what have you..
Equally there are people who aren't disqualified I'd rather not share a track (or the road) with, but..
Presumably the same reason a disqualified driver would find their insurance cost increases post ban: that there's a statistical correlation between people who've been DQ and an increase in accidents/claims.
On this casis then, a seventeen year old recently passed driver should not go on a trackday because they are statistically more likely to crash
On this casis then, a seventeen year old recently passed driver should not go on a trackday because they are statistically more likely to crash
Presumably the same reason a disqualified driver would find their insurance cost increases post ban: that there's a statistical correlation between people who've been DQ and an increase in accidents/claims.
On this casis then, a seventeen year old recently passed driver should not go on a trackday because they are statistically more likely to crash
On this casis then, a seventeen year old recently passed driver should not go on a trackday because they are statistically more likely to crash
upsidedownmark said:
TDIfurby said:
I'm glad those checks are done as not sure I'd want to share a track with someone who was disqualified.
Interesting observation - why?No vested interest, am not / have not been disqualified myself, just seems like (dis)qualified status is an odd thing to be worried about (other than for the TDO from what is most likely a liability point of view)
Way I see it they'll get re-qualified in time and you'll be sharing the roads & maybe the track. They'll be the same person as when they were disqualified, and let's face it, the reasons why they might be disqualified are diverse, be it medical, speeding, what have you..
Equally there are people who aren't disqualified I'd rather not share a track (or the road) with, but..
Disqualified for speeding is hardly a problem is it
Surely it depends on the reason for the disqualification?
Drunk Driving? Trackday companies have a zero alcohol policy. They may ask for a breathtest.
Speeding offense? Kinda the reason your on track anyway. Can't see what possible reason they could have to turn you away.
And as others have said, you could use your ACU license. So whilst disqualified, someone may be out with you anyway and you wouldn't know it. They may not even have a road license...
Drunk Driving? Trackday companies have a zero alcohol policy. They may ask for a breathtest.
Speeding offense? Kinda the reason your on track anyway. Can't see what possible reason they could have to turn you away.
And as others have said, you could use your ACU license. So whilst disqualified, someone may be out with you anyway and you wouldn't know it. They may not even have a road license...
RacerMDR said:
upsidedownmark said:
TDIfurby said:
I'm glad those checks are done as not sure I'd want to share a track with someone who was disqualified.
Interesting observation - why?No vested interest, am not / have not been disqualified myself, just seems like (dis)qualified status is an odd thing to be worried about (other than for the TDO from what is most likely a liability point of view)
Way I see it they'll get re-qualified in time and you'll be sharing the roads & maybe the track. They'll be the same person as when they were disqualified, and let's face it, the reasons why they might be disqualified are diverse, be it medical, speeding, what have you..
Equally there are people who aren't disqualified I'd rather not share a track (or the road) with, but..
Disqualified for speeding is hardly a problem is it
upsidedownmark said:
Interesting observation - why?
No vested interest, am not / have not been disqualified myself, just seems like (dis)qualified status is an odd thing to be worried about (other than for the TDO from what is most likely a liability point of view)
To be honest, its not the fact that speeding etc makes them more dangerous. But as an advanced driver I like to think someone who is unobservant enough to either see a speed camera, or adjust for speed cameras, probably doesn't have (sufficient) observation skills for working on a trackday - I am thinking in terms of observing closing speed differences, rearview mirror obeservations, and generally just having a well rounded driving manner.No vested interest, am not / have not been disqualified myself, just seems like (dis)qualified status is an odd thing to be worried about (other than for the TDO from what is most likely a liability point of view)
I guess someone "could" have all those qualities but still be unfortunate enough to get enough points in a short period of time to be banned, but I would be less trusting to be honest. If the ban was for carelss driving and similar (or worse
) then I would definitely not want to be on the same piece of tarmac as them.If you are disqualified do you not legally become the same as someone who is yet to pass their test (if it was a "low risk" disqualification)? So I would imagine you could go on any track day that did not require a license at all (like go carting or children driving experiences) but would not be allowed to attend normal track days
Mr Viking said:
If you are disqualified do you not legally become the same as someone who is yet to pass their test (if it was a "low risk" disqualification)? So I would imagine you could go on any track day that did not require a license at all (like go carting or children driving experiences) but would not be allowed to attend normal track days
Loads of people attend regular trackdays without owing a road license - most bike racers don't ride on the road at all - does that make them dangerous?TDIFurby: Reasonable enough point - mind you, as an advanced driver I'm sure you'll agree that there are plenty of people around who *have* licenses, yet lack such observational skills..
Track's also a very different environment, very different set of priorities and IMHO what makes a good road driver has pretty much nothing to do with a good track driver. As such, I don't think road behaviour is a great predictor, I'm not sure I'd worry about it.
E.G. Go on a motorbike track day and they'll ask you to tape over or remove your mirrors - specifically to avoid you being distracted by what's going on behind, or causing/having accidents while attempting to get out of way / be polite. Sounds a bit crazy, but actually sensible.
WRT the OP's question, the answer seems to be pretty much, no you can't. Although there may be a possibility of arranging something on an exceptional basis - I seem to recall one of the PH scribes is license free on medical grounds, but was able to organise to drive on track in their Megane.
Track's also a very different environment, very different set of priorities and IMHO what makes a good road driver has pretty much nothing to do with a good track driver. As such, I don't think road behaviour is a great predictor, I'm not sure I'd worry about it.
E.G. Go on a motorbike track day and they'll ask you to tape over or remove your mirrors - specifically to avoid you being distracted by what's going on behind, or causing/having accidents while attempting to get out of way / be polite. Sounds a bit crazy, but actually sensible.
Mr Viking said:
If you are disqualified do you not legally become the same as someone who is yet to pass their test (if it was a "low risk" disqualification)? So I would imagine you could go on any track day that did not require a license at all (like go carting or children driving experiences) but would not be allowed to attend normal track days
Point being that on private land you don't legally require a license. The decision to require one is solely up to the organiser/owner, though likely caused by a mixture of common sense / insurance / liability / phase of the moon!WRT the OP's question, the answer seems to be pretty much, no you can't. Although there may be a possibility of arranging something on an exceptional basis - I seem to recall one of the PH scribes is license free on medical grounds, but was able to organise to drive on track in their Megane.
Edited by upsidedownmark on Tuesday 12th March 15:46
Timbo_S2 said:
Loads of people attend regular trackdays without owing a road license - most bike racers don't ride on the road at all - does that make them dangerous?
No, I don't think so, especially as the driving licence only tests for safety on the road. I just thought that it could make a track owner less likely to allow you to drive on their track with other people. Bike racing is a different matter though, as it is organized racing as opposed to a track day. I'm sure they own a race licence though and similarly, if they were disqualified from racing, it would simply mean they couldn't race, the lack of racing licence wouldn't affect their road licence and vice versaGassing Station | Track Days | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff