V12v tyre thread
Discussion
After doing a little research, i realised there was some info out there but not enough..
Thinking of getting rid of the corsas at some point. Feeling to paranoiac driving with those on.
What's the feedback on regular pzeros and sottozeros?
Are the former made for this car only? Cost and availability?
Sottozeros need special set of wheels, right?
Thinking of getting rid of the corsas at some point. Feeling to paranoiac driving with those on.
What's the feedback on regular pzeros and sottozeros?
Are the former made for this car only? Cost and availability?
Sottozeros need special set of wheels, right?
Silverspeed is a good authority on this one - he's driven his V12V on corsas & 'non-corsas' (I get a little confused when people say pzeros or corsas because the corsa is actually 'pzero corsa' so technically, they are both pzeros). He ended up insisting on the 'non-corsas' for his V12VR although technically, the roadster isn't available with them
I have to say, having taken out my R a little more on the corsas, I'm gaining in confidence after initially being somehwat intimidated by all the stories
I also spoke to a chap at Stratstones and what he suggested was that whilst of course the best scenario for corsas is in warm weather, the corsas will still warm up in cold weather and it's this which is the greatest issue for the tyres to work well
Whilst I do big mileages in it by Aston standards, I don't use my V12 as a DD so I wouldn't take it out in the rain/ice unless unavoidable - I guess for those that use it more regularly non-corsas are a more obvious choice
I have to say, having taken out my R a little more on the corsas, I'm gaining in confidence after initially being somehwat intimidated by all the stories
I also spoke to a chap at Stratstones and what he suggested was that whilst of course the best scenario for corsas is in warm weather, the corsas will still warm up in cold weather and it's this which is the greatest issue for the tyres to work well
Whilst I do big mileages in it by Aston standards, I don't use my V12 as a DD so I wouldn't take it out in the rain/ice unless unavoidable - I guess for those that use it more regularly non-corsas are a more obvious choice
Bravo73 said:
Are PS2s still being made? Isn't the Michelin Supersport the current equivalent?
(I have a set fitted to my M3 CSL and they are a very, very good road tyre).
Stopped being made but still generally available(I think). There is a PS3 now as well but it doesn't come in the larger sizes and isn't so performance related.(I have a set fitted to my M3 CSL and they are a very, very good road tyre).
Great tyres, I ran them on the GT3 and M3 so I figured I'd stick to what I know.
jonby said:
Silverspeed is a good authority on this one - he's driven his V12V on corsas & 'non-corsas' (I get a little confused when people say pzeros or corsas because the corsa is actually 'pzero corsa' so technically, they are both pzeros). He ended up insisting on the 'non-corsas' for his V12VR although technically, the roadster isn't available with them
I have to say, having taken out my R a little more on the corsas, I'm gaining in confidence after initially being somehwat intimidated by all the stories
I also spoke to a chap at Stratstones and what he suggested was that whilst of course the best scenario for corsas is in warm weather, the corsas will still warm up in cold weather and it's this which is the greatest issue for the tyres to work well
Whilst I do big mileages in it by Aston standards, I don't use my V12 as a DD so I wouldn't take it out in the rain/ice unless unavoidable - I guess for those that use it more regularly non-corsas are a more obvious choice
Little difference between Corsas and non Corsas in everyday driving IMO. BIG difference in low temperatures and wet conditions however and I feel much more in control and more able to enjoy the car on non Corsas. Don't even think about temperatures or wet conditions now ( except for how much salt is on the road and how dirty will the car get!).Not done a track day on either so can't comment but would assume better grip on Corsas . Best option would possibly be a tyre swap for winter but too much hassle for me. The non Corsas are a perfect compromise for me. I have to say, having taken out my R a little more on the corsas, I'm gaining in confidence after initially being somehwat intimidated by all the stories
I also spoke to a chap at Stratstones and what he suggested was that whilst of course the best scenario for corsas is in warm weather, the corsas will still warm up in cold weather and it's this which is the greatest issue for the tyres to work well
Whilst I do big mileages in it by Aston standards, I don't use my V12 as a DD so I wouldn't take it out in the rain/ice unless unavoidable - I guess for those that use it more regularly non-corsas are a more obvious choice
Edited by silverspeed on Tuesday 12th March 18:23
threesixty said:
Stopped being made but still generally available(I think). There is a PS3 now as well but it doesn't come in the larger sizes and isn't so performance related.
Great tyres, I ran them on the GT3 and M3 so I figured I'd stick to what I know.
Have a look at the Supersports. I also used to run PS2s on my various M3s and the Supersports are their effective replacement. They are slightly closer to a Pilot Cup in terms of rubber and profile:Great tyres, I ran them on the GT3 and M3 so I figured I'd stick to what I know.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-sup...
And like you said, the PS3 is a lower performance tyre.
erics said:
So the non corsas are factory approved, right?
Cost for them?
Factory approved for Coupe not Roadster - I sat in Gaydon speccing my R and non Corsas were a no cost option . Two weeks later they are not available for Roadster - it's Corsas or Winter tyres ( which I believe are the V8VS option) .Cost for them?
with current temps and dry conditions it me about 5 miles to get the engine temp up and get the oil at least warm enough to use more than 3000rpm during that time some stress on the tyres, braking and cornering will get enough heat in them to be able to start to lean on them a bit. The next 5 miles I try to keep the revs below 4-5k to let the oil get good and warm and let the tyres get up to a useable temp gradually increasing both the rpm limit and the cornering speeds. After that it grips pretty well. So treating the engine with a degree of sympathy gives the tyres time to catch up.
In the rain and cold its not really any fun so I drive it like a shipping car through the twisty bits, not had any problems. I Motorway speeds are fine but it still needs a healthy respect when accelerating or when cornering at triple digit speeds, what unsettles the tyres is sudden vector changes in the traction circle.
Over 10deg in the dry they are unbeatable and in the wet they are as good as most other tyres
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In the rain and cold its not really any fun so I drive it like a shipping car through the twisty bits, not had any problems. I Motorway speeds are fine but it still needs a healthy respect when accelerating or when cornering at triple digit speeds, what unsettles the tyres is sudden vector changes in the traction circle.
Over 10deg in the dry they are unbeatable and in the wet they are as good as most other tyres
S
Erics - are you looking at winter tyres, (7 deg and below) or all season tyres?
Winter tyres are only rated up to 250kmh (about 150mph) which is not really a problem in this country. I wore Michellin AP's and in snow, salt and wet they were stunning. In normal driving conditions, that is dry but cold (below 7 deg) they were stunning. Above 7deg, they are super stunning, because they are quite sticky, and heat up quickly. BUT, because they are designed for 7deg and below, when the going gets hot, they wear out quicker and obvioulsy can't exceed 250kmh.
If you can live with 250kmh max and tyres that wear slightly quicker, then personally I would run winter all the time, as they stick like glue to the road. There are 2 type of tyre that come in all the sizes we need for front and back - Michellin AP's and Pirelli Sorro's, there are other makes, but so far (and I have have not looked more recently) other makes do not do the tyre sizes for the front and back to have a matching set.
Winter tyres are only rated up to 250kmh (about 150mph) which is not really a problem in this country. I wore Michellin AP's and in snow, salt and wet they were stunning. In normal driving conditions, that is dry but cold (below 7 deg) they were stunning. Above 7deg, they are super stunning, because they are quite sticky, and heat up quickly. BUT, because they are designed for 7deg and below, when the going gets hot, they wear out quicker and obvioulsy can't exceed 250kmh.
If you can live with 250kmh max and tyres that wear slightly quicker, then personally I would run winter all the time, as they stick like glue to the road. There are 2 type of tyre that come in all the sizes we need for front and back - Michellin AP's and Pirelli Sorro's, there are other makes, but so far (and I have have not looked more recently) other makes do not do the tyre sizes for the front and back to have a matching set.
Sadly Maverick I have to disagree. the Sottozero winter tyre is hideous above 7 degrees, the block movement and possibly sidewall movement makes the car feel like it is running on jelly. The hotter they get the worse they are I agree that in cold or wet conditions they are very very good.
I don't wish to be deliberately argumentative here, just offering a counter argument based on my own experience.
I don't wish to be deliberately argumentative here, just offering a counter argument based on my own experience.
Cockernee said:
I don't wish to be deliberately argumentative here, just offering a counter argument based on my own experience.
Thanks for your feed back I have only ran Winter Michelins in 12 deg heat, so only marginally above the 7deg recommendation, I have not run the Michelins in sunny 25 deg heat. I have only run family MPV car in hot climates with Winters on. Which is like trying to compare Apples and Pears (as my old maths teacher would say)
Perhaps I was too quick in my comparison, I understand what you're saying
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