Opalescent Silver Blue equivalent (close as possible)
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Luckily my 64 E-type FHC is now ready for paint in Dubai, following huge rot removal, new sills and new metal in dozens of places.
The unfortunate point is as follows: I cannot get paint shipped and so cant get Dupont 8316L or JAG7410S.
My only choices are to look for a modern colour in the Dupont catalogue which is all they have here. Anyone aware of a close colour?
Currently looking at 2005 Rover Arctic Blue, Audi 2005 Liquidblau and 2008 Subaru Azur Blue.
Anyone who has actually seen any of these cars and can comment, please pipe up! Alternatively, anyone who has found a closer modern colour please let me know. All help gladly received.
The unfortunate point is as follows: I cannot get paint shipped and so cant get Dupont 8316L or JAG7410S.
My only choices are to look for a modern colour in the Dupont catalogue which is all they have here. Anyone aware of a close colour?
Currently looking at 2005 Rover Arctic Blue, Audi 2005 Liquidblau and 2008 Subaru Azur Blue.
Anyone who has actually seen any of these cars and can comment, please pipe up! Alternatively, anyone who has found a closer modern colour please let me know. All help gladly received.
TallPaul said:
Surely the bodyshop will just mix the colour on site, the same as everywhere else in the world? Cant you ask them to contact their paint supplier for the formulation for your colour? I dont understand what you are saying about not being able to get paint shipped.
You've gone to all that bother and now you're going to paint it the "wrong" colour? Are you saying that a brand new pearlescent AMG Merc SLS or what ever they float around in Dubai can't be painted in the right colour? - tosh!
Get the formulation by e-mailing the colour labs of PPG in Stowmarket or Akzo Nobel in Abingdon then change your bodyshop
h to match though Wow, didn't expect that reaction. Paint shops in Sharjah are a bit difficult compared to ones in England. Have any of you got experience of the problem I am experiencing or do you just want to say you dont believe the predicament? Who has posted lives in the ME? How many of those have restored cars here? Unfortunately I dont have a load of 64 Etypes in the right colour to take into the shop, and they wont match it from an internet colour.
I have used this forum a number of times with help on a number of classic cars I have owned/restored and I did not expect the sort of response received. I have brought a 64 E back from scrap - you would expect enthusiasts to support the effort, not simply express disbelief- I know I wouldn't.
Any help greatfully received. Responses telling me I am speaking tosh are not, unless they have experience of the situation.
Thanks.
ETA I cant just change the body shop. There are only a very few garages here (I only know of 1) which will touch cars over 8 years old - they just wont do it, and they are only happy painting cars colours whcih are available for modern cars - so yes, a new Merc can be painted the right colour but I will probably be the only person in the country with a car this colour, whereas there will be tens of thousands who buy a Merc/Rolls/Lamborghini brand new.
I have previously experienced (both with my 68 Corvette and this) that its hard to get paint shipped. I ended up painting the Corvette a Toyota colour - I have an original Lemans blue car and there is very little difference between the two - since no two cars ever seem to be the same colour, I doubt anyone would notice the difference between the two colours.
Further ETA you really can't import paint - I tried to do it for a 1973 911T here and it got confiscated (its a solvent they wont let in for individuals) and Jag here wont sell it to me (try Al Tayer motors if you think its "tosh").
Rant over.
I have used this forum a number of times with help on a number of classic cars I have owned/restored and I did not expect the sort of response received. I have brought a 64 E back from scrap - you would expect enthusiasts to support the effort, not simply express disbelief- I know I wouldn't.
Any help greatfully received. Responses telling me I am speaking tosh are not, unless they have experience of the situation.
Thanks.
ETA I cant just change the body shop. There are only a very few garages here (I only know of 1) which will touch cars over 8 years old - they just wont do it, and they are only happy painting cars colours whcih are available for modern cars - so yes, a new Merc can be painted the right colour but I will probably be the only person in the country with a car this colour, whereas there will be tens of thousands who buy a Merc/Rolls/Lamborghini brand new.
I have previously experienced (both with my 68 Corvette and this) that its hard to get paint shipped. I ended up painting the Corvette a Toyota colour - I have an original Lemans blue car and there is very little difference between the two - since no two cars ever seem to be the same colour, I doubt anyone would notice the difference between the two colours.
Further ETA you really can't import paint - I tried to do it for a 1973 911T here and it got confiscated (its a solvent they wont let in for individuals) and Jag here wont sell it to me (try Al Tayer motors if you think its "tosh").
Rant over.
Edited by 427James on Monday 18th March 05:46
James. Even modern car colours will be mixed by your bodyshop from a formulation. Paint is not usually shipped pre-mixed.
If your bodyshop doesn't have a mixing sysytem they must be obtaining it from someone who does.
I would suggest you find the brand(s) of paint available to you and send an email direct to the manufacturers asking for their assistance.
In addition you could send the same email to a few UK/US E-type restorers asking for their help.
On the other hand if there is a very close match from a modern colour then I don't see the harm in using it.
Opalescent light blue is a notoriously difficult colour to match and if you see three "original" cars together I can almost guarantee they'll all be different.
These links may also be of some use.
http://www.inetogether.net/jaguar/paint-opal_silv_...
http://www.e-typeclub.com/images_new/issue6_page4_...
Good luck.
If your bodyshop doesn't have a mixing sysytem they must be obtaining it from someone who does.
I would suggest you find the brand(s) of paint available to you and send an email direct to the manufacturers asking for their assistance.
In addition you could send the same email to a few UK/US E-type restorers asking for their help.
On the other hand if there is a very close match from a modern colour then I don't see the harm in using it.
Opalescent light blue is a notoriously difficult colour to match and if you see three "original" cars together I can almost guarantee they'll all be different.
These links may also be of some use.
http://www.inetogether.net/jaguar/paint-opal_silv_...
http://www.e-typeclub.com/images_new/issue6_page4_...
Good luck.
Edited by mph on Monday 18th March 07:14
Morning James,
Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers at all, so apologises if it came across that way; it was directed at the Bodyshop not you.
I've a lot of experience in the automotive paint industry having and of course my love of Jaguar is well known.
The answer to your problem is, as has previously been said, is to obtain the formulation from the likes of Akzo, PPG,Du Pont et al. The formulation can then be mixed correctly.
A standard paint shop will have colour scheme of base colour and then they will mix from that. A more sophisticated repair/paint shop will have a computerised mixing scheme perhaps a spectrometer as well.
All colours have a Standard which here is the UK is a regulated colour and then there are variants from that.
A red body shell going down the paint production line will undoubtedly influence the variant of colour of the next batch of say white cars hence the variants are produced on a fan of swatches.
I spent a very happy time in Saudi so am familiar with the Middle East Market if not your particular locale.
The issue I suspect that you will face, is your car will be painted in a light met blue; you will think it fantastic and then at some point if you decide to sell it on then the Buyer may and I say may, pick up on the colour.
At the end of the day - you've got a lovely car in the E Type and a close match light Met Blue is fine in my book - I was just trying to protect your ass that’s all if you ever came to sell it
There you go now - and you said you can rant! lol!
Have a good day
Carsie said:
Morning James,
Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers at all, so apologises if it came across that way; it was directed at the Bodyshop not you.
I've a lot of experience in the automotive paint industry having and of course my love of Jaguar is well known.
The answer to your problem is, as has previously been said, is to obtain the formulation from the likes of Akzo, PPG,Du Pont et al. The formulation can then be mixed correctly.
A standard paint shop will have colour scheme of base colour and then they will mix from that. A more sophisticated repair/paint shop will have a computerised mixing scheme perhaps a spectrometer as well.
All colours have a Standard which here is the UK is a regulated colour and then there are variants from that.
A red body shell going down the paint production line will undoubtedly influence the variant of colour of the next batch of say white cars hence the variants are produced on a fan of swatches.
I spent a very happy time in Saudi so am familiar with the Middle East Market if not your particular locale.
The issue I suspect that you will face, is your car will be painted in a light met blue; you will think it fantastic and then at some point if you decide to sell it on then the Buyer may and I say may, pick up on the colour.
At the end of the day - you've got a lovely car in the E Type and a close match light Met Blue is fine in my book - I was just trying to protect your ass that’s all if you ever came to sell it
There you go now - and you said you can rant! lol!
Have a good day
Thanks Carsie and apologies for going off the handle. Seriously doubt I will sell the car, I have done it for my father, who's 70 and had to sell his E back in the day due to me arriving on the scene, so I thought I would return the favour and replace it.Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers at all, so apologises if it came across that way; it was directed at the Bodyshop not you.
I've a lot of experience in the automotive paint industry having and of course my love of Jaguar is well known.
The answer to your problem is, as has previously been said, is to obtain the formulation from the likes of Akzo, PPG,Du Pont et al. The formulation can then be mixed correctly.
A standard paint shop will have colour scheme of base colour and then they will mix from that. A more sophisticated repair/paint shop will have a computerised mixing scheme perhaps a spectrometer as well.
All colours have a Standard which here is the UK is a regulated colour and then there are variants from that.
A red body shell going down the paint production line will undoubtedly influence the variant of colour of the next batch of say white cars hence the variants are produced on a fan of swatches.
I spent a very happy time in Saudi so am familiar with the Middle East Market if not your particular locale.
The issue I suspect that you will face, is your car will be painted in a light met blue; you will think it fantastic and then at some point if you decide to sell it on then the Buyer may and I say may, pick up on the colour.
At the end of the day - you've got a lovely car in the E Type and a close match light Met Blue is fine in my book - I was just trying to protect your ass that’s all if you ever came to sell it
There you go now - and you said you can rant! lol!
Have a good day
I will try and find someone at Dupont who can help on the colour formulation, as those seem to be the swatches which are available to my shop. These guys are fantastic body work fellas, but lack experience in finding obscure Jag paint colours from the 60s (which I can't blame them for!)
Thanks for the help guys.
Hi James
I had a Liquidblau Audi back in 2005 and I have also had an Opalescent Silver Blue S1 FHC in the past. The Liquidblau is almost a pearlescent paint with very fine metallic particles, not at all like the metallics of the 1960s. So whilst the colour might be similar, the way the light reflects off it is very different. I would not be happy using it if it was my car.
The closest match I found for a very quick aerosol repair (don't ask!) was a Vauxhall/Opel light metallic blue from the '90s, but I can't remember the name I'm afraid. Having said that, the paint on my car was probably an approximation of Opalescent Silver Blue as I'm sure it had been painted at some time in its life.
I hope this helps.
I had a Liquidblau Audi back in 2005 and I have also had an Opalescent Silver Blue S1 FHC in the past. The Liquidblau is almost a pearlescent paint with very fine metallic particles, not at all like the metallics of the 1960s. So whilst the colour might be similar, the way the light reflects off it is very different. I would not be happy using it if it was my car.
The closest match I found for a very quick aerosol repair (don't ask!) was a Vauxhall/Opel light metallic blue from the '90s, but I can't remember the name I'm afraid. Having said that, the paint on my car was probably an approximation of Opalescent Silver Blue as I'm sure it had been painted at some time in its life.
I hope this helps.
When I painted my car in 1988 it was difficult to get the real silver blue, so I looked around for an alternative. I came up with Ford glacier blue which, while a bit lighter, has always pleased me and others. I do have regrets now that I didn't use the original though, and am sure that you will be able to get the paint codes to replicate.
OK, for all those people who can't get the correct paint for their classic Jags. I can supply the exact mix in any old Jaguar colour. Might cost a few bob to send it to you, because it's heavy stuff; but it will be the authentic match to the original colour codes.
E mail me if you are interested.
J
E mail me if you are interested.
J
hi guys - finally managed to get the correct Dupont colour. Pic of car attached - thanks for all the helpful replies and Rosco, I got a paint sample for liquidblau and it is exceptionally close, but as noted above, the metalic content is a bit different -its probably a nicer colour in truth.
Edited by 427James on Tuesday 23 April 09:08
jith said:
OK, for all those people who can't get the correct paint for their classic Jags. I can supply the exact mix in any old Jaguar colour. Might cost a few bob to send it to you, because it's heavy stuff; but it will be the authentic match to the original colour codes.
E mail me if you are interested.
J
Dear J,E mail me if you are interested.
J
We are restoring with my brother and my father a E62 convertible and we are approaching the end for the bodywork...
We choose opalescent Silver Blue but the body shop is not super motivated to find the exact mix... they proposed us the rover Artic Blue...
I’m new on this forum ... so I’m a bit embarrassed to ask for your help ! Could you help me to find the exact mix ... ?
Tell me if I can do something for you in exchange !
Thanks in advance for your help.
Regards
Pierre (from Belgium)
Ps: here is my email address pierre.princen@hotmail.com
Formulating the original Jaguar opalescent silver blue isn't easy and in fact when I was trying in 1987 we did not find the result satisfactory when sprayed on trial metal panels. Instead we used Ford Glacier Blue, used on the Capri, which we found almost identical but just a trifle brighter. Here was the finished article:-
Of course different cars look decidedly different to one another even with the same colour, but perhaps this might help.
Of course different cars look decidedly different to one another even with the same colour, but perhaps this might help.
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