Anyone want to fill a sump with water for me?
Anyone want to fill a sump with water for me?
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Pupp

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302 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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Wondering if some kind soul with a tin sump off a serp handy (ideally with the hammered front end) would mind filling it with 6.5 litres of water and posting up the distance between the gasket face and the fluid level please? A pic would be handy too.

Serious request - trying to ascertain where the resting oil level sits so as to accommodate an oil return port that's not supposed to be submerged.

Maybe this info is already out there.... smile


TVR Beaver

2,874 posts

210 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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I suppose I could do this... My sump is off.. has a hammered front etc.... But how much will stay in the filter etc??

QBee

22,502 posts

174 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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How appropriate to have a TVR Beaver to fill the sump with water.!
Will you have to make allowances for the logs he feels obliged to insert first?

Pupp

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Monday 18th March 2013
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TVR Beaver said:
I suppose I could do this... My sump is off.. has a hammered front etc.... But how much will stay in the filter etc??
Thanks; appreciated. I'm not concerned with the filter as my fill on change routine involves 6.5 plus filter 2/3 full... Also aware the level will reduce due to what gets pumped around etc; just looking for a working level as a benchmark that is unlikely to be exceeded.

TVR Beaver

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Monday 18th March 2013
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'Dam'.. you've seen through my plan smile....

seriously.. will do it tonight and post results wink

Pupp

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Monday 18th March 2013
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Going to be miffed if over-tops! hehe

spend

12,581 posts

281 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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If you want a guaranteed location that is neither submerged or swamped (by swilling / surges) the best place is to drill+tap the boss for the cam sensor in the timing cover IMHO.

Pupp

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Monday 18th March 2013
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It was my original intention to return via the front cover Dave but, without using a scavenge pump, it's just going to be too high unfortunately

Discopotatoes

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251 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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I did this for my returns and I don't have any problems with drainage

neal1980

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269 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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I did mine also 2 x 90degree bends to the top of the sump drivers side and this was fine.

Will be doing it again shortly smile

TVR Beaver

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210 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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Okay... so 6 ltrs takes it to the plate in mine :-



and 6.5 ltrs just over :-



so to answer your question.. about 30mm from the top smile

Pupp

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Monday 18th March 2013
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Thanks - that's once clean sump!

Pupp

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Monday 18th March 2013
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neal1980 said:
I did mine also 2 x 90degree bends to the top of the sump drivers side and this was fine.

Will be doing it again shortly smile
Did you go in above the plate or weld on an extra receiver like DP Neal?

macca

508 posts

309 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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Just a thought, and I don't know the answer to this, what displacement occurs when it is 6.5 litres of hot oil rather than cold water (assuming that's cold water in there)?

TVR Beaver

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Monday 18th March 2013
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You think I'm going to boil it as well !!

macca

508 posts

309 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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When are you next having chips? Fill it with corn oil and take a measurement just before you put them in biggrin

Pupp

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Monday 18th March 2013
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The engine (and sump) will expand to accommodate wink

spend

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281 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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Pupp said:
It was my original intention to return via the front cover Dave but, without using a scavenge pump, it's just going to be too high unfortunately
Too high? If its pressure fed what the heck does the height matter? In some ways a high return can be an advantage ~ oil won't drain away whilst stood & less air likely to get into the lines....

Unless you are pouring oil & depending on gravity I can't see why people fuss, although I agree returning into air and allowing oil to drop out is better than pumping airy oil into the sump.

Pupp

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spend said:
Pupp said:
It was my original intention to return via the front cover Dave but, without using a scavenge pump, it's just going to be too high unfortunately
Too high? If its pressure fed what the heck does the height matter? In some ways a high return can be an advantage ~ oil won't drain away whilst stood & less air likely to get into the lines....

Unless you are pouring oil & depending on gravity I can't see why people fuss, although I agree returning into air and allowing oil to drop out is better than pumping airy oil into the sump.
I started off from that perspective too, but seems turbo seals don't like backed up oil...

SILICONEKID350HP

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261 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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I`m totaly confused rolleyes What am i looking at ? what is this thread all about ?