New cayman s or gen2 997
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Took a short test drive in new cayman s and a gen2 997. . Didnt intend even trying the cayman Both ,felt awesome as I have never driven a Porsche. Always wanted a 911 got the bug but the cayman s was stunning. Will I regret not getting a 911 if I go for the cayman s.
Any views or comment from any experiences of the new cayman
Any views or comment from any experiences of the new cayman
dufflecoat said:
Cayman S, definitely. Blue with grey 20", PDK, PASM, PCM. Then sell it me in 18 months.
Thanks.
Seriously, I think they will outsell the 991 massively, and tempt a lot of customers form both Boxster and 911. Porsche have a weird dilemma to resolve.
I agree and what about the r although I am told it will be 2 years . Will they keep these on a long waiting list or pump up production if demand if so required . Porsche sales up 25% globally in January I readThanks.
Seriously, I think they will outsell the 991 massively, and tempt a lot of customers form both Boxster and 911. Porsche have a weird dilemma to resolve.
boringbeige said:
If you get the cayman, you'll always regret not getting the 911.
If you get the 911, you won't regret passing on the cayman.
Gotta agree with that sentiment. Highly subjective of course, but there's something about the arse-engines dynamics of 911s that is (for me at least) utterly addictive and beguiling. They're such great cars to thread along country lanes leaving a wail of flat 6 behind you. The cayman is probably the better car but the 911, 997.2 especially will warm your nuts more If you get the 911, you won't regret passing on the cayman.
No bad choices here though.
Also, newness wears of whereas true character is timeless. 2.7 RS? Yes please.
Zyp said:
sticks090460 said:
Picked up a 20k 997.1 Turbo from an OPC at the weekend for less than you'd spend on an optioned-up Cayman S. I'm not regretting my decision.....
Early days....
listen and learn however.
sticks090460 said:
Picked up a 20k 997.1 Turbo from an OPC at the weekend for less than you'd spend on an optioned-up Cayman S. I'm not regretting my decision.....
Jeeesh, now that's a tough decision......although I'm utterly smitten with the new Cayman S, a 997.1 Turbo would, I feel, be where the smart money goes as I feel the new 981 is going to be produced in big numbers. A 911 Turbo is every boys dream!!
I was in a similar situation to yourself 9 months ago. Always hankered after a 911 ever since I was young amongst other exotic cars.
Always been a petrol head and have been changing cars to higher performance ones every time for some years and in 2001 aquired a E36 M3 evo and then in 2003 E46 M3.
In 2005 I seriously looked into achieving a school boy dream and get a 911 (finally) and saw a pukka 996 C2 which I had an extended test drive and I was left a little underwelmed. Don't get me wrong it was still a fantastic drive but my expectations was that it would be on a different planet to the M3 which at the time it just wasn't! All this was down to having too high expectations and all this derived from when I was very young thinking that a 911 would just blow my socks off!
I'm sure if I had come from a hot hatch to a 911 it would have been all different but that was not the case for me...
Anyhow the short of the storey is that I decided to scratch that itch once more 9 months ago and was all set looking for a 911 997.2 C2 and test drove one at my local OPC. While I was there I thought I'd try the Cayman S 987.2 thinking that it wouldn't be a patch on the 911 but to my surprise it was a more involving drive than the 911. Not by much but enough for me to re-consider if that 911 itch was still valid? I also knew that a new Cayman was only round the corner although the Electronic PAS was a concern as the telepathic steering of these cars is one if the cars highlights.
Anyhow I decided to search for a Cayman R and test drive one which I did and decided to buy one... I have absolutely no regrets not getting a 911 as the R is just a gem to drive! I'm not saying that I will never own a 911 but at this moment in time only the 997 GT3 would tempt me away from the R.
I've not driven the 981 Cayman so really can't comment on whether this may be a viable future car for me but I would say go with your gut instict to the OP of which car you actually prefer before making your decision!
It's true that any new car will depreciate more than a used one but if you are in a position to buy new and have done the maths, then go for it if that's what you really want... Good luck with your decision
Always been a petrol head and have been changing cars to higher performance ones every time for some years and in 2001 aquired a E36 M3 evo and then in 2003 E46 M3.
In 2005 I seriously looked into achieving a school boy dream and get a 911 (finally) and saw a pukka 996 C2 which I had an extended test drive and I was left a little underwelmed. Don't get me wrong it was still a fantastic drive but my expectations was that it would be on a different planet to the M3 which at the time it just wasn't! All this was down to having too high expectations and all this derived from when I was very young thinking that a 911 would just blow my socks off!
I'm sure if I had come from a hot hatch to a 911 it would have been all different but that was not the case for me...
Anyhow the short of the storey is that I decided to scratch that itch once more 9 months ago and was all set looking for a 911 997.2 C2 and test drove one at my local OPC. While I was there I thought I'd try the Cayman S 987.2 thinking that it wouldn't be a patch on the 911 but to my surprise it was a more involving drive than the 911. Not by much but enough for me to re-consider if that 911 itch was still valid? I also knew that a new Cayman was only round the corner although the Electronic PAS was a concern as the telepathic steering of these cars is one if the cars highlights.
Anyhow I decided to search for a Cayman R and test drive one which I did and decided to buy one... I have absolutely no regrets not getting a 911 as the R is just a gem to drive! I'm not saying that I will never own a 911 but at this moment in time only the 997 GT3 would tempt me away from the R.
I've not driven the 981 Cayman so really can't comment on whether this may be a viable future car for me but I would say go with your gut instict to the OP of which car you actually prefer before making your decision!
It's true that any new car will depreciate more than a used one but if you are in a position to buy new and have done the maths, then go for it if that's what you really want... Good luck with your decision
sticks090460 said:
Indeed it is, care to elaborate on why you think I've made the wrong choice? From what I consider to be objective rational viewpoints (speed, practicality, depreciation curve) my car is a better purchase than a new Cayman S. I am always willing to
listen and learn however.
I'm not for one minute saying you've made the wrong choice - your objective viewpoints are valid.listen and learn however.
However, I also had the same viewpoints when I bought my turbo, and for the same price could've bought a far newer 997C2S.
My initial turbo enthusiasm waned after 3 months as I found, after the initial rush of torque and speed, that it didn't suit me.
That, and buying a car with a fantastic provenance that I had know for the previous 3 years, it still cost an absolute fortune in repairs in the two years I had it.
The pros and cons of the turbo have been done to death on here, so I only hope the OP does his due diligence before making a decision.
I didn't, and it frigging well cost me dear! ( but of course, not all cars to wrong)
My personal choice with regards to the question, bearing in mind I haven't driven the new Cayman, would be to buy the Cayman.
Hang the depreciation
Zyp said:
sticks090460 said:
Indeed it is, care to elaborate on why you think I've made the wrong choice? From what I consider to be objective rational viewpoints (speed, practicality, depreciation curve) my car is a better purchase than a new Cayman S. I am always willing to
listen and learn however.
I'm not for one minute saying you've made the wrong choice - your objective viewpoints are valid.listen and learn however.
However, I also had the same viewpoints when I bought my turbo, and for the same price could've bought a far newer 997C2S.
My initial turbo enthusiasm waned after 3 months as I found, after the initial rush of torque and speed, that it didn't suit me.
That, and buying a car with a fantastic provenance that I had know for the previous 3 years, it still cost an absolute fortune in repairs in the two years I had it.
The pros and cons of the turbo have been done to death on here, so I only hope the OP does his due diligence before making a decision.
I didn't, and it frigging well cost me dear! ( but of course, not all cars to wrong)
My personal choice with regards to the question, bearing in mind I haven't driven the new Cayman, would be to buy the Cayman.
Hang the depreciation
It devours the road ahead, accelerates like few other cars, handles brilliantly, is not so low / hard that you can't drive it fast on anything but a race-track....and I think it still looks ok (even though is nearly 7 yrs old now)...
It also has the Motorsport derived Mezger and hence, at least a bit of heritage
Apart from Warranty & Tyres, hasn't cost me anything over and above normal running costs & depreciation. Would I change anything if I could....only the exhaust note.....but it still sounds cool in tunnels with the windows down !
New is always nice....and from everything I read about the new Cayman (was reading EVO article on it last night), it's a truly cracking car. But if like me, you only have your car as a hobby / weekend toy, why not consider something a bit more iconic / special as once the newness has worn off, new Cayman will just be another Cayman. Whereas GT3 / Turbo / R models retain their special-ness even when knocking on a bit (IMO of course).
Don't get me wrong, love the new cars and also 987 Cayman (have had a couple as courtesy cars in the past). However if your Porka is not an everyday car and if you are not awash with cash so as to be able to buy a new Porsche every couple of years, why not consider something a bit older and a bit more interesting / iconic ?? Even TVR / Ferrari / Lotus / Aston, 60k gives you an awful lot to choose from.... Or for real weekend driving thrills, Caterham / Atom or something of that ilk ??
Thankfully, we all have different opinions / experiences with our cars. Hence there really is no right answer other than to finally work out what's best for you
. Just don't be taken in by all the current marketing / new car hype.....if I was in the market for a new Cayman, would be hanging around for the R at least...
I can't disagree with what you've said Oggy - we all have different needs ( some will argue I have 'spethial' ones...) and wants from a car.
I won't deny the turbo is a great car from the speed perspective, it just left me with a sour taste and I'd hate anyone to rush into ownership just because its an iconic car, like I did.
Just couldn't get on with it and I wish I'd asked the same question as the OP has, (although he never asked about turbos - we've digressed a little!) and gleaned more info before I bought!
As you say, they don't all go wrong.
My Miele vac is still going strong 10 years since, my mothers packed up within 3.
I won't deny the turbo is a great car from the speed perspective, it just left me with a sour taste and I'd hate anyone to rush into ownership just because its an iconic car, like I did.
Just couldn't get on with it and I wish I'd asked the same question as the OP has, (although he never asked about turbos - we've digressed a little!) and gleaned more info before I bought!
As you say, they don't all go wrong.
My Miele vac is still going strong 10 years since, my mothers packed up within 3.
supersport said:
Having had a test drive in the new Cayman non S yesterday and having had a 991 for the weekend, I would say Cayman. It's a very exciting car and everything that the 991 should have been.
Financially the 997.2 probably makes more sense.
I bought my first Porsche last year. Having started out looking at the Cayman S (previous model), I ended up with a 997.2 C2S. The Cayman is a brilliant car and I suspect, for most of us, would be quicker down any given stretch of 'real' road than a 911. For the driving gods who can really use the unique properties of the 911, there's probably more ultimate satisfaction to be gained from the rear engined mutant Beetle. My own view was that the Cayman was lovely to drive but felt like many other good modern cars, whereas the 997 instantly felt more special and unique - you really can feel the balance changing as you drive and I found that was really important to me - I didn't want the car I would be able to drive at the fastest speed along any given stretch of road - what I wanted was a car that I had to learn to drive properly and that, in doing so, would keep me entertained and challenged for years. If that's your particular sweet spot too, you might want to have a good think about manual vs PDK - I ended up spending some time hunting down a good low-mileage manual with sport shift. 5 months in, I might (being generous to myself) be 10% along the learning curve for a 911 and don't regret my decision for a second.Financially the 997.2 probably makes more sense.
It devours the road ahead, accelerates like few other cars, handles brilliantly, is not so low / hard that you can't drive it fast on anything but a race-track....and I think it still looks ok (even though is nearly 7 yrs old now)...
I think it looks great...on my list for the future...
I think it looks great...on my list for the future...
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