Cayman. Trade the R for a new S?
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Went to the launch at Hatfield a couple of weeks ago and afterwards didn't feel any desire to chop in my CR. However all the hyperbole in the press (Meaden et al) is now making me wonder whether my slow, ugly, floppy, obsolete model should go. '40% stiffer', 'taken to a new level', 'more masculine' (whatever that means), 'no longer a poor man's 911'. What have I been driving this last 18 months - a Hyundai Scoupe?
Obviously I would need to drive a 981 to know, but anyone out there care to reassure me? Or should I go for the 997.2 GTS that I've been hankering after?
Obviously I would need to drive a 981 to know, but anyone out there care to reassure me? Or should I go for the 997.2 GTS that I've been hankering after?
Edited by Lungauer on Wednesday 20th March 17:39
Relax - you have a great car. The games has "apparently" been moved on though. Only your pocket will tell you if you can keep pace with new car design and production.
I cant comment on the drive of the new Cayman but tomorrow I will be able to and I`m doing it the reverse to you as I`ll be driving a CR next week in comparison.
Heart or head ?
I cant comment on the drive of the new Cayman but tomorrow I will be able to and I`m doing it the reverse to you as I`ll be driving a CR next week in comparison.
Heart or head ?
New S looks very nice but as new car it is too expensive for me.(how does 103k€ without options sound to you; car tax sucks balls)
I am in a market for LHD PDK cayman R(with nice spec of course) I am looking daily ads from mobile.de but there are not many availble. (I would pay about 50k€) Prices are high because most cars have under 10tkm on the clock.
I might buy something else though but likely I just wait for now. New corvette is still almost a year away but if MSRP is not crazy, I might oder that.
I am in a market for LHD PDK cayman R(with nice spec of course) I am looking daily ads from mobile.de but there are not many availble. (I would pay about 50k€) Prices are high because most cars have under 10tkm on the clock.
I might buy something else though but likely I just wait for now. New corvette is still almost a year away but if MSRP is not crazy, I might oder that.
If you can afford to change to a new 981 S then why not do it but I'd have a good long test drive in one before parting with your CR, just because the press say's its the best thing out there doesn't mean it is for you.
The Cayman 987 hasn't suddenly become a rubbish drive overnight just because a new model is out.
The Cayman 987 hasn't suddenly become a rubbish drive overnight just because a new model is out.
My local OPC very kindly loaned me a 981 Boxster for four days whilst my 987.2 Boxster S was in the workshop. The new car is hugely capable but it is not my cup of tea. I do not like the chassis - it is nowhere near as involving. I haven't driven a 981 Cayman yet but I suspect it will be essentially the same character - although hope to be proved wrong.
I am not quite sure what the journos are on about. Part of the problem is they are not living with the cars or driving the old and new models back to back. But also I suspect there is only so much these guys want to poke Porsche in the eye.
The Cayman R chassis is superb, I think the most beautifully balanced and engaging of any car I have ever driven. I'd keep it if I were you. The GTS is also superb. Prior to my Boxster I ran a 997 Sport Classic for a year which I sadly had to sell to fund a house purchase. The GTS2 is essentially the same mechanically. Brilliant car and something of a bargain (the GTS) at the minute. I think manual wide bodied rear wheel drive 997s will be highly sought after in years to come as the best of the last of the old breed. Especially compared to a brand new Cayman, given the first year depreciation on the 9X1 we have seen.
I am not quite sure what the journos are on about. Part of the problem is they are not living with the cars or driving the old and new models back to back. But also I suspect there is only so much these guys want to poke Porsche in the eye.
The Cayman R chassis is superb, I think the most beautifully balanced and engaging of any car I have ever driven. I'd keep it if I were you. The GTS is also superb. Prior to my Boxster I ran a 997 Sport Classic for a year which I sadly had to sell to fund a house purchase. The GTS2 is essentially the same mechanically. Brilliant car and something of a bargain (the GTS) at the minute. I think manual wide bodied rear wheel drive 997s will be highly sought after in years to come as the best of the last of the old breed. Especially compared to a brand new Cayman, given the first year depreciation on the 9X1 we have seen.
Oso said:
My local OPC very kindly loaned me a 981 Boxster for four days whilst my 987.2 Boxster S was in the workshop. The new car is hugely capable but it is not my cup of tea. I do not like the chassis - it is nowhere near as involving. I haven't driven a 981 Cayman yet but I suspect it will be essentially the same character - although hope to be proved wrong.
I am not quite sure what the journos are on about. Part of the problem is they are not living with the cars or driving the old and new models back to back. But also I suspect there is only so much these guys want to poke Porsche in the eye.
The Cayman R chassis is superb, I think the most beautifully balanced and engaging of any car I have ever driven. I'd keep it if I were you. The GTS is also superb. Prior to my Boxster I ran a 997 Sport Classic for a year which I sadly had to sell to fund a house purchase. The GTS2 is essentially the same mechanically. Brilliant car and something of a bargain (the GTS) at the minute. I think manual wide bodied rear wheel drive 997s will be highly sought after in years to come as the best of the last of the old breed. Especially compared to a brand new Cayman, given the first year depreciation on the 9X1 we have seen.
Haven't driven the 981 in any form yet. But agree with this sentiment. I had a GTS for a year and it's a fantastic ownership proposition, a great car and extremely versatile. CR is beautifully balanced and an absolute bargain. As a car nut, I often think about other cars I want to buy or own or even upgrade to from rhe CR. But after driving the CR, I always think, I don't want or need any more than this. Everything about it is just so, brakes, engine noise, steering feel and supreme balance and the spec is perfect, manual, proper handbrake, mid engined, awesome engine, low CofG, passive sports suspension. Honestly, what more do you want?I am not quite sure what the journos are on about. Part of the problem is they are not living with the cars or driving the old and new models back to back. But also I suspect there is only so much these guys want to poke Porsche in the eye.
The Cayman R chassis is superb, I think the most beautifully balanced and engaging of any car I have ever driven. I'd keep it if I were you. The GTS is also superb. Prior to my Boxster I ran a 997 Sport Classic for a year which I sadly had to sell to fund a house purchase. The GTS2 is essentially the same mechanically. Brilliant car and something of a bargain (the GTS) at the minute. I think manual wide bodied rear wheel drive 997s will be highly sought after in years to come as the best of the last of the old breed. Especially compared to a brand new Cayman, given the first year depreciation on the 9X1 we have seen.
agree. it is a great car.
but even if the 997 GTS is less fun to drive than the CR, it represents the last of a breed of old skool 911s. whilst the major change between the 981 and 987 is the steering. Because the new 991 is more GT and tech heavy, the 997 GTS will always appeal.
without even talking residuals, this difference may skew someone towards buying a GTS even if the CR is a potentially better drive. All these of course don't matter if you don't buy into the whole 911 thing.
but even if the 997 GTS is less fun to drive than the CR, it represents the last of a breed of old skool 911s. whilst the major change between the 981 and 987 is the steering. Because the new 991 is more GT and tech heavy, the 997 GTS will always appeal.
without even talking residuals, this difference may skew someone towards buying a GTS even if the CR is a potentially better drive. All these of course don't matter if you don't buy into the whole 911 thing.
mankey said:
Out of interest, do you pay import tax to buy the car from Germany in Finland?
Not import tax but car tax.Eu is customs fee free zone but we have car tax in Finland and Germany does not. So here is an example:I buy cayman R for 50k€ from germany with VAT included. After that there is of course transport costs other smaller things. But when I want to get car on the road in Finland, I have to pay car tax which is calculated like this. P x (price for similar in Finand with (tax excluded)), factor P is the tax percentage which increases respect to CO2 emissions. So 50k€ cayman R would costs total of about 75k€ when on the road.
If car is cheap in Germany but has high CO2, price can even double from the original.
Okay: I might be able to help you here as I've driven both a 987 Cayman R and a couple of 981 Cayman S models with various wheels (19" and 20", PASM and std springs). The new Cayman S really is very, very good. The steering feel is also good, although not as ultimately sharp as the 987... kinda 95% as good, so it is still impressive by most cars standards. The chassis stiffness of the new car is very impressive and noticeably better than the 981 Boxster and from memory from the 987 R too. However this is splitting hairs: the 987 R chassis is also superb. 981 six speed manual is excellent, especially with the gear blipper with sports crono. PDK is excellent also. It really is a great package.
However, here is the rub... in no one specific area does the new 981 S completely ace the 987 R from a driving dynamics point of view. The cars are really very close. I think the only area the 981 scores a clear win against the 987 is in exterior appearance / styling (completely subjective... you may disagree) and interior styling and quality (also subjective, but cabin materials I think are more clearly better although ergonomics maybe suspect in areas like the e-parking brake and centre console button fest).
If I owned an 987 R, I would stick with it and review my decision when the 981 R comes out.
However, here is the rub... in no one specific area does the new 981 S completely ace the 987 R from a driving dynamics point of view. The cars are really very close. I think the only area the 981 scores a clear win against the 987 is in exterior appearance / styling (completely subjective... you may disagree) and interior styling and quality (also subjective, but cabin materials I think are more clearly better although ergonomics maybe suspect in areas like the e-parking brake and centre console button fest).
If I owned an 987 R, I would stick with it and review my decision when the 981 R comes out.
SimonOcean said:
Okay: I might be able to help you here as I've driven both a 987 Cayman R and a couple of 981 Cayman S models with various wheels (19" and 20", PASM and std springs). The new Cayman S really is very, very good. The steering feel is also good, although not as ultimately sharp as the 987... kinda 95% as good, so it is still impressive by most cars standards. The chassis stiffness of the new car is very impressive and noticeably better than the 981 Boxster and from memory from the 987 R too. However this is splitting hairs: the 987 R chassis is also superb. 981 six speed manual is excellent, especially with the gear blipper with sports crono. PDK is excellent also. It really is a great package.
However, here is the rub... in no one specific area does the new 981 S completely ace the 987 R from a driving dynamics point of view. The cars are really very close. I think the only area the 981 scores a clear win against the 987 is in exterior appearance / styling (completely subjective... you may disagree) and interior styling and quality (also subjective, but cabin materials I think are more clearly better although ergonomics maybe suspect in areas like the e-parking brake and centre console button fest).
If I owned an 987 R, I would stick with it and review my decision when the 981 R comes out.
Thanks for the feedback. It's good to know that dynamically the CR is still right up there. I'd agree with you that visually the 981's contemporary looks (interior and exterior) give it the edge, although given time, the 987's slim shape may come into its ownHowever, here is the rub... in no one specific area does the new 981 S completely ace the 987 R from a driving dynamics point of view. The cars are really very close. I think the only area the 981 scores a clear win against the 987 is in exterior appearance / styling (completely subjective... you may disagree) and interior styling and quality (also subjective, but cabin materials I think are more clearly better although ergonomics maybe suspect in areas like the e-parking brake and centre console button fest).
If I owned an 987 R, I would stick with it and review my decision when the 981 R comes out.
I've said all along that I'd prefer to stick with the 987R over the 981S for the reasons of preferring the look (white, black decal just looks right) and also because I personally prefer the analogue feel versus the more advanced electronic systems in place on the new one. Not had an opportunity to drive one yet though, but have tried out the new Boxster.
I have a Porsche experience day next week in their Cayman R before being taken out of service, so hoping it is an opportunity to fall in love with the car even more, but the missus will be driving the new Boxster at the same time, which might lead towards a further sale
I can't see myself switching to the new Cayman, possibly a Boxster for open top driving, but would certainly consider an R or RS version if it ever happens.
Just an after thought, bare in mind that the new Cayman depreciation will be quite significant in comparison to the CR which I feel (hope) will stay relatively high valued given the limited run and demand.
I have a Porsche experience day next week in their Cayman R before being taken out of service, so hoping it is an opportunity to fall in love with the car even more, but the missus will be driving the new Boxster at the same time, which might lead towards a further sale
I can't see myself switching to the new Cayman, possibly a Boxster for open top driving, but would certainly consider an R or RS version if it ever happens.
Just an after thought, bare in mind that the new Cayman depreciation will be quite significant in comparison to the CR which I feel (hope) will stay relatively high valued given the limited run and demand.
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