Is silly camber dangerous?
Discussion
Whats people's opinion on silly camber? I don't like the look personally, seems the "vag" and mx5 crew do though.
why dont I like the look, you ask? well its not so much that I dont like the "look", but I dont like the idea of adverse side effects, which in turn means I dont like the idea of them...
anyway by side effects i mean:
- surely the tyres wear out on the inside edge VERY quickly>
- stretched sidewalls can easily pop off, I'm told?
- due to the lowered contact patch, i assume the grip level is dramatically effected?
why dont I like the look, you ask? well its not so much that I dont like the "look", but I dont like the idea of adverse side effects, which in turn means I dont like the idea of them...
anyway by side effects i mean:
- surely the tyres wear out on the inside edge VERY quickly>
- stretched sidewalls can easily pop off, I'm told?
- due to the lowered contact patch, i assume the grip level is dramatically effected?
Darkcat said:
anyway by side effects i mean:
- surely the tyres wear out on the inside edge VERY quickly - Of course they do - It's on some occasions the only contact patch (Reducing from 9" wide to 2" wide) - but why should that stop them? It's cool don't you know- stretched sidewalls can easily pop off, I'm told? - In the right circumstances, yes they do, i.e running camber so the already stressed sidewall becomes more stressed - I've seen it myself, down the A249. Not pretty when you get covered in bits of rubber and sparks because the guy driving the car in front can't understand basic physics and correct usage of a tyre. It's called a sidewall because it is on the side - not a contact patch.
- due to the lowered contact patch, i assume the grip level is dramatically effected? - Yes, but as a poster said above, no more than running s
t skinny tyres on a powerful car. It doesn't matter anyway - it's cool Apparently, "I just don't understand" according to the people who live by this scene at Bluewater who asked about my RS so i enquired about their styling choices. I also said to them "My RS is stanced" to which point they laughed at me. Apparently if you can see tyre not arch, it isn't Dub. Not that i was going for that look, tbh i try to take cues from BTCC cars, not something with collapsed suspension.
Picture for austerity:
Stanced?
DSC00035-2 by co1856, on Flickr
Or Stanced?
Personally from my experiences driving around these cars, i avoid sharing a carriageway with anything 'stanced' or 'dub'. They're right, i don't understand the craze, partly because i understand and abide by the correct usage of tyres and also because i don't see the attraction of bottoming out on every stone or dead pheasant on the road.
Ok, i lower my RS's coilovers for the track work it does, but to me, this beggars belief. I thought the idea of tuning was to make a car better, not look like it's suspension has collapsed in new and interesting ways and to reduce it's actual ability on the road. It's total madness where form comes over function.
In the end, this 'scene' (i don't know why it's called that, it must be because i'm a DubNoob) looks like Max Power to me - A load of 'enthusiasts' gathering to celebrate each others cars - which they've put a lot of time and effort into, but ultimately - They all look a bit s
t and don't drive anywhere near how well the stock car does. Don't hate me for voicing my opinion - but if it's numerical superiority you want, i've got a rather large group supporting me - Some work in the tyre industry, some for KW/Bilstein - others normal people who are good at tuning cars to make them better.
ETA: Removed plebs, replaced with People who live by the scene - to avoid conflict.
Edited by HedgehogFromHell on Monday 25th March 09:01
Shaw Tarse said:
yes, that sort of thing - i like that "Stance" is now a verb :-)Let me re-jig this question for those who are not yet actually awake:
Is this dangerous?
HedgehogFromHell said:
what he said ^^^
Your linkage is broken :-)I wouldnt say your focus is "Stanced" myself, surely its just "lowered"?
However id go along with the vast majority of what you said.
I dont want to get pulled into the "Stanced" debate though, im on about camber, purely.
Darkcat said:
Your linkage is broken :-)
I wouldnt say your focus is "Stanced" myself, surely its just "lowered"?
However id go along with the vast majority of what you said.
I dont want to get pulled into the "Stanced" debate though, im on about camber, purely.
Fair point - well presented, but surely "stancing" is a form of extreme lowering..... And the cycle begins again haha.. But yes, the camber is an issue, especially when you think about contact patches, stresses on sidewalls and also stresses on suspension components that sometimes are pushed beyond what manufacturers design them for. However as i previously mentioned... All you get back from the 'scene' is that it's just how the 'scene' rolls, it's everything to do with stancing and dub. I wouldnt say your focus is "Stanced" myself, surely its just "lowered"?
However id go along with the vast majority of what you said.
I dont want to get pulled into the "Stanced" debate though, im on about camber, purely.
Hardly a reasoned argument.
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