Buying 'Clearance' from a trader

[Davi]

Just going to look at a car listed by a trader. It's noted as a 'px clearance'.

I've noticed a few traders that list px clearance cars and state something along the lines of 'as px clearance no warranty' etc - what exactly are your rights buying from a trader? I thought that ANYTHING that a trader sold had certain protections in place or is that not the case?

[Yell_M3]

Yes you are protected. They're just giving you prior warning they are selling a lemon and they'll try every dirty trick when you come back ...

[Davi]

Yell_M3 said:

Yes you are protected. They're just giving you prior warning they are selling a lemon and they'll try every dirty trick when you come back ...

at my budget, pretty much anything I buy is going to be a lemon. In fairness to them it's really NOT the sort of things they'd put on the forecourt. It would stand out like a complete pile of ste amongst gleaming metal. Because it is. But it's at my price range which is sadly pathetic.

[ajh38]

You are protected to an extent but if you are already taking this attitude before going to see it I would look to buy a car that actually offers a warranty rather than something that's advert implies that it might not be the best thing in the world.

I would imagine that this car is already quite cheap. You can't have your cake and eat it.

[mrmr96]

Don't forget there some caveats on the statutory protection. So you can't expect an old and cheap car to be fully working and mint condition. You're protected if its not fit for purpose, but minor niggles won't be covered.

[Davi]

mrmr96 said:

Don't forget there some caveats on the statutory protection. So you can't expect an old and cheap car to be fully working and mint condition. You're protected if its not fit for purpose, but minor niggles won't be covered.

That's the key thing - I'm expecting an old car with old car use and damage, and I'm very happy with that at my budget. What I don't want to find is that 10 miles down the road the gearbox falls apart because they packed it with grease to get it off the forecourt etc.

[balls-out]

Just out of interest - what sort of budget are you talking here?

I tend to view cheaper cars as better bough privately - on the grounds that there is a smaller fund for the dealer to make his money on - although I guess they they pay less, or it might be a rubbish theory.

[300bhp/ton]

Davi said:

Just going to look at a car listed by a trader. It's noted as a 'px clearance'.

I've noticed a few traders that list px clearance cars and state something along the lines of 'as px clearance no warranty' etc - what exactly are your rights buying from a trader? I thought that ANYTHING that a trader sold had certain protections in place or is that not the case?

Yoou are a regular enough poster and this is covered about 10 times each week in GG, how can you not know??

These are your rights:

http://www.oft.gov.uk/SalesofGoodsActHub/
http://sogahub.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

Not a bad read and fairly well written too.

[300bhp/ton]

Yell_M3 said:

Yes you are protected. They're just giving you prior warning they are selling a lemon and they'll try every dirty trick when you come back ...

What a complete and utter stupid comment to make.

[SuperHangOn]

doogz said:

I bought a car from a seller that was advertised as clearance, no warranty, trade, to clear etc for £1800.

Completely blind. Over eBay.

Best car I've ever bought. Had it nearly a year, got it with me today.

Me too. Last 2 cars I've bought have been from the same local garage who put their P/X's on ebay, they describe the cars pretty accurately.

I treat them as I would a private sale. Check carefully and don't expect a comeback.

[Yell_M3]

300bhp/ton said:

What a complete and utter stupid comment to make.

It was flippant, now get over yourself. Comments that just deride people serve no purpose. If you want to elucidate as to why it’s stupid then I will engage you. Pointless as that will be, but I will...until that point stop being a c0ck.

Edit, just noticed you are in IT, as am I. Reminds me of the sort of tosh you get on tw*ty IT forums. So no need to explain. You are a ck.

Edited by Yell_M3 on Tuesday 26th March 14:42

ETA

Please don't evade the swear filter it's there for a reason.

Edited by Big Al. on Tuesday 26th March 15:32

[300bhp/ton]

@ Yell M3

A px to clear is exactly that. It does not mean it's a lemon and it does not mean they are out to con you. You have the same rights under SOGA regardless. All the trader/dealer is doing, is saying this is just being sold off as is with no additional warranty.

No need to name call or throw your toys out of the pram.

[Yell_M3]

300bhp/ton said:

@ Yell M3

A px to clear is exactly that. It does not mean it's a lemon and it does not mean they are out to con you. You have the same rights under SOGA regardless. All the trader/dealer is doing, is saying this is just being sold off as is with no additional warranty.

No need to name call or throw your toys out of the pram.

No need to name call? That's what you did, with the stupid remark. As I said flipant remark take it as such without any need for such pomposity.

[300bhp/ton]

I didn't name call, I said your comment was stupid, which in fairness it was, as it was incorrect and deliberately misleading.

[POORCARDEALER]

Unfortunately from a trade point of view the perfectly good part exchanges which are too old to retail we can't really sell to the public without falling foul of trading standards/SOGA.....so they have to go to auction as they can retail them to the public.

All got a bit silly really.

[Big Al.]

May I suggest you gentlemen lighten up and cease the bhing, or you may lose your ability to post on the thread!

[Meths]

Learn to check over a car and test drive properly (dealer should have trade insurance) and you can avoid most cars that are lemons.

[Grenoble]

300bhp/ton said:

Yell_M3 said:

Yes you are protected. They're just giving you prior warning they are selling a lemon and they'll try every dirty trick when you come back ...

What a complete and utter stupid comment to make.

I thought Yell_M3's was quite a pragmatic and realistic view to be honest.

[Davi]

300bhp/ton said:

Yoou are a regular enough poster and this is covered about 10 times each week in GG, how can you not know??

I have an appalling memory and I only tend to read threads of direct and imminent impact on me

300bhp/ton said:

These are your rights:

http://www.oft.gov.uk/SalesofGoodsActHub/
http://sogahub.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

Not a bad read and fairly well written too.

Many thanks

In this particular instance I didn't need to look too hard. The overspray on half the car, the un-sanded but sprayed over bodyfiller on the roof (?!), the lack of ability to select reverse without the autobox jarring the car like you'd had a mild shunt from an 18 tonner, the blue electrical tape securing a few water pipes on in the engine bay...

but hey, it was described as in 'excellent condition' so all's good!

[300bhp/ton]

Grenoble said:

I thought Yell_M3's was quite a pragmatic and realistic view to be honest.

I don't think so. Usually p/x to clear means it's a car type/age they don't normally deal with, but got lumbered with when selling something else.


For example, you might be a Land Rover speiclaist, buying and selling LR's. However in order to sell a Freelander you took a £1k Ford Focus in as p/x. It's not something you really want or want to deal with, but is part of doing business and now owes you/the company £1k. All you want to do is chop it out for as little cost and effort as possible. You don't want to warranty it due to it's price and not being the thing you mainly sell and deal.

SOGA still applies as always with selling to the public, but that's the extent of it. If it doesn't sell it'll go off to auction, but as a business you know you'll likely lose money on doing this, so you'll give it a few weeks to see if it goes.

This means a buyer may well knab a bargain, but not for every single p/x.