LR Defender 2008 gearbox gone bang today.
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As per thread title. 2008 tdci (57 plate) with shy under 80k miles and the gearbox let go as I was using 2nd to engine brake in ice down a steep hill.
It had a replacement box at 7k miles for some reason (that was under warranty) I do a small amount of towing which isn't heavy, but other than that pretty well cared for. Never taken off road for example.
Any others on here had the same trouble with this model? I'm gutted to be honest, and could anyone offer what the replacement cost will be? I'm assuming LR would not be interested in helping out, though I'm sure a few years back there was talk of the gearbox being weak on this model.
It had a replacement box at 7k miles for some reason (that was under warranty) I do a small amount of towing which isn't heavy, but other than that pretty well cared for. Never taken off road for example.
Any others on here had the same trouble with this model? I'm gutted to be honest, and could anyone offer what the replacement cost will be? I'm assuming LR would not be interested in helping out, though I'm sure a few years back there was talk of the gearbox being weak on this model.
Its because it is essentially a crappy transit van box not up to the job of doing what it was supposed to do when transplanted into the Landy...
Its about time Landrover started to make their products fit for purpose for the fortune they charge for them....
After the launch hype of the TDCi Landy I can honestly say that apart from the heater...It is the worst incarnation of a Landy ever released!!
N.
Its about time Landrover started to make their products fit for purpose for the fortune they charge for them....
After the launch hype of the TDCi Landy I can honestly say that apart from the heater...It is the worst incarnation of a Landy ever released!!
N.
Ashcroft rates the 6 speeder quite highly, certainly a better box than the R380. I think it is also used in the new Mustang too, which has a tad more power and torque than a Defender does.
Op - has it actually gone "bang" as you describe (which would seem odd and unlikely tbh) or does it have another symptom? There is some good info on the Ashcroft website about these boxes and a home fix for the most common problem on them.
Op - has it actually gone "bang" as you describe (which would seem odd and unlikely tbh) or does it have another symptom? There is some good info on the Ashcroft website about these boxes and a home fix for the most common problem on them.
300bhp/ton said:
Ashcroft rates the 6 speeder quite highly, certainly a better box than the R380. I think it is also used in the new Mustang too, which has a tad more power and torque than a Defender does.
Op - has it actually gone "bang" as you describe (which would seem odd and unlikely tbh) or does it have another symptom? There is some good info on the Ashcroft website about these boxes and a home fix for the most common problem on them.
I was heading down a 1 in 6 in second, let out the clutch reasonably slowly for engine braking, revs went a bit higher than normal as I was probs going a little quicker than I thought .... but only upto around 3.5K revs.Op - has it actually gone "bang" as you describe (which would seem odd and unlikely tbh) or does it have another symptom? There is some good info on the Ashcroft website about these boxes and a home fix for the most common problem on them.
There was like a funny jolt and realised then I couldnt change gear. I coasted down to the btm of the hill and then tried to engage a gear, she would only easily go into 3rd and made a really bad mechanical noise. So I switched her off.
AA came out and immediatly diagnosed as a knackered box ....... the very same had happened to a 57 plate Defender a couple of weeks earlier he had been to also. To be fair to the AA guy, he seemed pretty clued up on Landies and he had been to a few of them with the same probelm over the last couple of years.... All TDCIs
For the record, I was up at LR watching the Defenders being built just after I had got mine back 2008. I happened to say in passing to one of the tech guys showing me around that my gearbox was abit crunchy changing up from first to second. He miss heard me and said 'yes we are having problems with third gear on the new Defenders, I'd contact your dealer'. This I did, they had it back in, and two weeks later I got my Defender back with a brand new box. No quibble.
So I'm pretty certain at the begining at least, they were having some kind of problems with the new 6 speed in some way.
heightswitch said:
Its because it is essentially a crappy transit van box not up to the job of doing what it was supposed to do when transplanted into the Landy...
Its about time Landrover started to make their products fit for purpose for the fortune they charge for them....
After the launch hype of the TDCi Landy I can honestly say that apart from the heater...It is the worst incarnation of a Landy ever released!!
N.
Why should you be surprised? LR forums have lots of threads on Discos with dodgy second or third gears and don't even get me started on series gearboxes. Its about time Landrover started to make their products fit for purpose for the fortune they charge for them....
After the launch hype of the TDCi Landy I can honestly say that apart from the heater...It is the worst incarnation of a Landy ever released!!
N.
The gearboxes in the outgoing Range Rovers are known to have issues too.
I appreciate that some gearboxes will be made by other car manufacturers, but that isn't a suitable excuse.
I have just been going through the parts list to fix my series gearbox...It's quite confusing
We have had them go bang at 25,000 miles
The detents move and also lock the gearbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_detent
Ashcroft will fix it but you will proberbly just end up with a exchange unit
The detents move and also lock the gearbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_detent
Ashcroft will fix it but you will proberbly just end up with a exchange unit
The cheapest way is to buy a replacement unit from ebay - there are loads on there which have done next to no miles from vehicles fitted with auto transmissions - 600 quid or so will get you one.
Just get your local garage to fit it - half a day should see it swapped over - less than a grand all in I should think
Just get your local garage to fit it - half a day should see it swapped over - less than a grand all in I should think
vjj said:
The cheapest way is to buy a replacement unit from ebay - there are loads on there which have done next to no miles from vehicles fitted with auto transmissions - 600 quid or so will get you one.
Just get your local garage to fit it - half a day should see it swapped over - less than a grand all in I should think
Good to know and thanks ................ Just looked on ebay ........... £600.00 reconditioned exchange. Spot on, I've been panicking at what might be the cost. Just get your local garage to fit it - half a day should see it swapped over - less than a grand all in I should think
Saying that though, the garage hasn't got back to me yet stating that is actually the problem. I'll chase them on Tuesday me thinks.
Crossflow Kid said:
Hmmm, eBay "reconditioned"......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-6-SPEED-MANUAL-GEARBOX-/200910285606?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ec72fab2612 month warranty? No good?
I'd have absolutly no idea.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-6-SP...
Edited by Wozy68 on Monday 1st April 17:06
Ok, got the link to open.
For my money, I'd want the entire job warranted, not just the item. It's a lot of labour to find out afterwards that there is an issue, then even more labour to remove it again, return it, refit a replacement and so on.
Also not entirely convinced by a load of gearboxes, stacked on their ends, not in any form of crate.
Or is that the "before" picture?
"Reconditioned" is also open to various interpretations on the net, more so in the bay. For some, it means jet washing all the crud off, refilling it with new oil and replacing the external seals. To others, it means stripping it to its component pieces, grit blasting the casing, replacing all the bearings and fitting zero miles gears.
For something as major as a gearbox, if it were my money I'd avoid eBay (unless your plan is to just get it going again then flog it)
For my money, I'd want the entire job warranted, not just the item. It's a lot of labour to find out afterwards that there is an issue, then even more labour to remove it again, return it, refit a replacement and so on.
Also not entirely convinced by a load of gearboxes, stacked on their ends, not in any form of crate.
Or is that the "before" picture?
"Reconditioned" is also open to various interpretations on the net, more so in the bay. For some, it means jet washing all the crud off, refilling it with new oil and replacing the external seals. To others, it means stripping it to its component pieces, grit blasting the casing, replacing all the bearings and fitting zero miles gears.
For something as major as a gearbox, if it were my money I'd avoid eBay (unless your plan is to just get it going again then flog it)
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 1st April 17:58
Crossflow Kid said:
Ok, got the link to open.
For my money, I'd want the entire job warranted, not just the item. It's a lot of labour to find out afterwards that there is an issue, then even more labour to remove it again, return it, refit a replacement and so on.
Also not entirely convinced by a load of gearboxes, stacked on their ends, not in any form of crate.
Or is that the "before" picture?
"Reconditioned" is also open to various interpretations on the net, more so in the bay. For some, it means jet washing all the crud off, refilling it with new oil and replacing the external seals. To others, it means stripping it to its component pieces, grit blasting the casing, replacing all the bearings and fitting zero miles gears.
For something as major as a gearbox, if it were my money I'd avoid eBay (unless your plan is to just get it going again then flog it)
Appreciate your points. The only problem I do see it that whoever I get if from, if there's a problem, they will only cover the box, ie doubtful they would cover the install and reinstall cost.For my money, I'd want the entire job warranted, not just the item. It's a lot of labour to find out afterwards that there is an issue, then even more labour to remove it again, return it, refit a replacement and so on.
Also not entirely convinced by a load of gearboxes, stacked on their ends, not in any form of crate.
Or is that the "before" picture?
"Reconditioned" is also open to various interpretations on the net, more so in the bay. For some, it means jet washing all the crud off, refilling it with new oil and replacing the external seals. To others, it means stripping it to its component pieces, grit blasting the casing, replacing all the bearings and fitting zero miles gears.
For something as major as a gearbox, if it were my money I'd avoid eBay (unless your plan is to just get it going again then flog it)
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Monday 1st April 17:58
Saying that, who would you suggest? The LR is a keeper, but alas budget does have to come into a little. I understand that seems a false economy, but times arn't easy out there at the moment.
Could do with a reccomend.
Ashcroft did mine. £1200 all in.
They remanufacture the boxes from scratch, replace the clutch and flywheel and warranty all the work so if anything does go wrong it's a one stop shop to go back to.
With anything like gearboxes, guaranteed if it's a recon eBay jobber the garage will blame the seller, the seller will blame the garage and you're left without a vehicle.
They remanufacture the boxes from scratch, replace the clutch and flywheel and warranty all the work so if anything does go wrong it's a one stop shop to go back to.
With anything like gearboxes, guaranteed if it's a recon eBay jobber the garage will blame the seller, the seller will blame the garage and you're left without a vehicle.
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