F1 Penalties

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andyps

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7,817 posts

283 months

Sunday 26th September 2004
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Have I missed a rule change recently? It certainly was the case until recently that some drivers faced pretty harsh penalties for causing accidents, highlighted particularly by the penalty imposed on Montoya at Indianapolis last year which cost him any chance of the championship.

Today (stop reading if you have yet to see the Chinese race!!) Martin Brundle said that Michael Schumacher was at fault for the incident with Klien, yet there was no penalty imposed or even discussed. How can this be, surely it wasn't just the officials being kind to him due to his mistake yesterday?

308gt4

710 posts

261 months

Sunday 26th September 2004
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In his defense, Sato did the same thing to Rubens (although the Ferrari wasn't damaged) and got away with that to.

JPM is a twat so fair dues for giving him a penalty

Seriously, the penalty system only kicks in if the Ferraris are upset and Napolean waddles over to bernie and complains...as should be the case

Piglet

6,250 posts

256 months

Sunday 26th September 2004
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[gets ready to be flamed] It's very simple Andyps, you've missed the regulation at number B1N that says:

"...nothing in these regulations is to be construed as applying detrimentally to any car that is red (for the avoidance of doubt the Toyota is not deemed to be a red car for the purposes of this regulation)..."

see, very simple [/getsreadytobeflamed]

>> Edited by Piglet on Sunday 26th September 10:53

>> Edited by Piglet on Sunday 26th September 10:54

andyps

Original Poster:

7,817 posts

283 months

Sunday 26th September 2004
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Piglet said:
[gets ready to be flamed] It's very simple Andyps, you've missed the regulation at number B1N that says:

"...nothing in these regulations is to be construed as applying detrimentally to any car that is red (for the avoidance of doubt the Toyota is not deemed to be a red car for the purposes of this regulation)..."

see, very simple [/getsreadytobeflamed]



I thought I missed something like that - just wanted someone to confirm it for me.

kevinday

11,641 posts

281 months

Sunday 26th September 2004
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Yes, I think we can confirm that rule...let's see.... MSc hits KK, absolutely nothing, DC hits RSc and 'investigation after the race'. Q.E.D.

john_p

7,073 posts

251 months

Sunday 26th September 2004
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I just mentioned this in the other thread, glad others have noticed it, pretty much the same with both incidents but just makes you think it's special treatment for MS as usual. Oh well fate got their revenge back I guess.

HiRich

3,337 posts

263 months

Sunday 26th September 2004
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308gt4 said:
In his defense, Sato did the same thing to Rubens (although the Ferrari wasn't damaged) and got away with that to.


If you're talking about the Nurburgring, Charlie Whiting reviewed the video after the race and agreed that Rubens was fast asleep. Although Sato came from a long way back, he had the corner. Whiting took the time to apologise to Sato.

308gt4

710 posts

261 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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HiRich said:

308gt4 said:
In his defense, Sato did the same thing to Rubens (although the Ferrari wasn't damaged) and got away with that to.



If you're talking about the Nurburgring, Charlie Whiting reviewed the video after the race and agreed that Rubens was fast asleep. Although Sato came from a long way back, he had the corner. Whiting took the time to apologise to Sato.


it was the SAME thing and I disagree with a non-penalty in BOTH cases, the only difference is that MS took KK out of the race with his lunge for the corner, the Italians just make stronger cars

Scratch'n'Diff

6,071 posts

267 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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Ferrari and Schumacher have earnt the privilege and the right to have small indisgressions ignored.
They came from being unreliable and sh1t in the Berger/Alesi days, to the world beaters they are today.

If ther teams/dievers want that kind of respect/privilege, they better start doing it better and harder.

Put up or shut up.

SD

daydreamer

1,409 posts

258 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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Scratch'n'Diff said:
Ferrari and Schumacher have earnt the privilege and the right to have small indisgressions ignored.
They came from being unreliable and sh1t in the Berger/Alesi days, to the world beaters they are today.

If ther teams/dievers want that kind of respect/privilege, they better start doing it better and harder.

Put up or shut up.

SD
Is that so says someone who competes in or funds a motorsport team.

I really hope that you are taking the p1ss when you say that one team has earnt the right to punt others off.

Racing is a non contact sport. Yes, stuff happens and we all accept that, but it is still not to be encouraged. If you think that racers have no balls because they are constantly complaining that through no fault of their own they are being put in unnecessarily dangerous and expensive situations, I suggest that you give it a go yourself.

john_p

7,073 posts

251 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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Mind out for the troll!

kevinday

11,641 posts

281 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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Scratch'n'Diff said:
Ferrari and Schumacher have earnt the privilege and the right to have small indisgressions ignored.
They came from being unreliable and sh1t in the Berger/Alesi days, to the world beaters they are today.

If ther teams/dievers want that kind of respect/privilege, they better start doing it better and harder.

Put up or shut up.

SD


What a load of cobbl*rs, the rules should be obeyed by all equally, or there is no point in competing if you are not Ferrari.

Scratch'n'Diff

6,071 posts

267 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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daydreamer said:

I really hope that you are taking the p1ss when you say that one team has earnt the right to punt others off.


And the copper coin drops...........

Sorry, but I don't take F1 seriously anymore.
If I had my way I'd take the speed down, put everyone in identical cars and endorse any means possible to win.

Now THAT would be entertaining.

mutley

3,178 posts

260 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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Scratch'n'Diff said:

...If I had my way I'd take the speed down, put everyone in identical cars and endorse any means possible to win....


Already have that in British Touring Cars, "you're in my way" Nerf.. "now I'm past"