new to this, TVR wanted
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hi everyone, quick introduction.
im a biker who's been persuaded to give it up but still want that same thrill from a vehicle.
have been looking at changing my car also, looking at 6 series, XK's, 911 (996), and SL's. then came across a few cerberas in my area.
i grew up a massive tvr fan and the cerbera was my favourite which helps as i have two children. everyone on the internet says for TVR go to pistonheads. so here i am.
found these locally, can i get opinions on them, i've heard bad things about the speed six engine but as the newer model is it still likely to be more reliable than the 4.2?
none of them mention an engine rebuild and i'm awaiting replies on whether any of them have. i would assume it would be listed if it had been done.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...
any input greatly appreciated.
im a biker who's been persuaded to give it up but still want that same thrill from a vehicle.
have been looking at changing my car also, looking at 6 series, XK's, 911 (996), and SL's. then came across a few cerberas in my area.
i grew up a massive tvr fan and the cerbera was my favourite which helps as i have two children. everyone on the internet says for TVR go to pistonheads. so here i am.
found these locally, can i get opinions on them, i've heard bad things about the speed six engine but as the newer model is it still likely to be more reliable than the 4.2?
none of them mention an engine rebuild and i'm awaiting replies on whether any of them have. i would assume it would be listed if it had been done.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...
any input greatly appreciated.
to be honest, i would say a SP6 is not as reliable as the AJP (4.2 or 4.5)
and... The best Speed 6 engines are the ones from 2004 and after. But does not mean that they are very reliable. I think it really depends on how the previous owners were taking care, more than just service, the way of driving.
High revs with a cold engine is a killer.
I think you are right, in case it had a rebuild, it would have been mentioned. I think a none rebuild Speed 6 from 2001 is a NO GO.
And even if it has been rebuild SP6, it would be the best of after 2004. before and you are still at risk.
well and the chassis... that can be a pain if it is rusty, check the Wheeler Dealers episode with the Cerb and read what people overhere are saying, it look simple when Ed is doing it but they have cut out lots...
but all in all go to check to cerbs but dont take money with you.
Take you time. And dont buy the first you see unless you have big pockets.
and... The best Speed 6 engines are the ones from 2004 and after. But does not mean that they are very reliable. I think it really depends on how the previous owners were taking care, more than just service, the way of driving.
High revs with a cold engine is a killer.
I think you are right, in case it had a rebuild, it would have been mentioned. I think a none rebuild Speed 6 from 2001 is a NO GO.
And even if it has been rebuild SP6, it would be the best of after 2004. before and you are still at risk.
well and the chassis... that can be a pain if it is rusty, check the Wheeler Dealers episode with the Cerb and read what people overhere are saying, it look simple when Ed is doing it but they have cut out lots...
but all in all go to check to cerbs but dont take money with you.
Take you time. And dont buy the first you see unless you have big pockets.
Personally, I wouldn't touch a Speed 6 but there is one in a 350 that has just passed 200000 miles, after a rebuild, so with regular servicing & looking after they can be OK.
Autoplay have a 4.5 as well as the other 2 you have links too - if you are not far from them, go have a look. The 4.5 has been there since before Christmas, he might be interested in a cheeky offer? Its worth a try...
Good luck....
Autoplay have a 4.5 as well as the other 2 you have links too - if you are not far from them, go have a look. The 4.5 has been there since before Christmas, he might be interested in a cheeky offer? Its worth a try...
Good luck....
Christ there is some b
ks on here about the Sp6 Cerb - I've had two AJP 8's and now in a 2000 Speed Six which has done 48000 miles without any engine work and is sweet as a nut!
This one is probably the best one to drive, and as a biker, makes it a hard choice whether to go for some fun in the Cerb, or on the Hayabusa...
nice choice though
ks on here about the Sp6 Cerb - I've had two AJP 8's and now in a 2000 Speed Six which has done 48000 miles without any engine work and is sweet as a nut!This one is probably the best one to drive, and as a biker, makes it a hard choice whether to go for some fun in the Cerb, or on the Hayabusa...
nice choice though
First of all, great choice, apart from "seven" type cars I think the Cerb is a perfect 4 wheel alternative to a bike. I don't get out much on my bike nowadays but the Cerb never fails to put a smile on my face.
You really need to go and see them, its all about the condition as you will find if you search for buying advice on here. If you've watched Wheeler Dealers then you can see how something that looks shiny can be a nightmare underneath. If you can, get the one you like over to a reputable place for a proper inspection just to be safe.
Good luck on the search.
You really need to go and see them, its all about the condition as you will find if you search for buying advice on here. If you've watched Wheeler Dealers then you can see how something that looks shiny can be a nightmare underneath. If you can, get the one you like over to a reputable place for a proper inspection just to be safe.
Good luck on the search.
If the speed six has been rebuilt by one of the specialists like TVR Power then it will be more than reliable , as has already been said a recently rebuilt speed six engine is approaching 250,000miles!!!.
The AJP is not 100% reliable despite what the AJP police say, many guys on here have had rebuilds to AJP engines so as I would advise with ANY TVR engine get a rebuilt one if not can you afford the £5k plus cost of doing it........
Any of the engine packages for the Cerb will give you a fantastic driving experience but choose wisely whichever engine variant you go for and 2 rules I would stand by is a rebuilt engine and check the chassis carefully for rust.
Then enjoy
The AJP is not 100% reliable despite what the AJP police say, many guys on here have had rebuilds to AJP engines so as I would advise with ANY TVR engine get a rebuilt one if not can you afford the £5k plus cost of doing it........
Any of the engine packages for the Cerb will give you a fantastic driving experience but choose wisely whichever engine variant you go for and 2 rules I would stand by is a rebuilt engine and check the chassis carefully for rust.
Then enjoy
The point that is being made is that both AJP and S6 engines will need work at some point in their lives. The S6 was a bad engine from new (in terms of fragility) but improved over the life of manufacture and the TVR Power etc rebuilds give greater peace of mind. The AJP wasnt plagued with the same issues but as its getting on a bit now then clearly a 15 year old car with 65K on the clock is growing increasingly likely to need work.
Gazzab said:
The AJP wasnt plagued with the same issues but as its getting on a bit now then clearly a 15 year old car with 65K on the clock is growing increasingly likely to need work.
It would seem unlikely to me that an AJP8 could do more than 100k without a rebuild because of the intake valve shim issue. Whether the Oil/Water/PS pump drive shaft would last that long is another question (although this was uprated on later cars - 99 onwards?).I'm going to be contraversial and suggest that TVRs are not for you if you can't or don't want to spend money on them. An unrebuilt SP6 or a rusty chassis is not a reason to let a very rare car go to waste. You shouldn't pay top dollar for them, but they should be bought and saved.
TVRs just cost a lot, and I'm going to stick my neck even further out here and suggest that anyone who isn't spending much beyond servicing, unless they have a recently rebuilt car, is just running it down and accumulating wear and tear.
TVRs just cost a lot, and I'm going to stick my neck even further out here and suggest that anyone who isn't spending much beyond servicing, unless they have a recently rebuilt car, is just running it down and accumulating wear and tear.
jamieduff1981 said:
I'm going to be contraversial and suggest that TVRs are not for you if you can't or don't want to spend money on them. An unrebuilt SP6 or a rusty chassis is not a reason to let a very rare car go to waste. You shouldn't pay top dollar for them, but they should be bought and saved.
TVRs just cost a lot, and I'm going to stick my neck even further out here and suggest that anyone who isn't spending much beyond servicing, unless they have a recently rebuilt car, is just running it down and accumulating wear and tear.
TVRs just cost a lot, and I'm going to stick my neck even further out here and suggest that anyone who isn't spending much beyond servicing, unless they have a recently rebuilt car, is just running it down and accumulating wear and tear.
jamieduff1981 said:
TVRs just cost a lot, and I'm going to stick my neck even further out here and suggest that anyone who isn't spending much beyond servicing, unless they have a recently rebuilt car, is just running it down and accumulating wear and tear.
I haven't spent much on mine, although there have been a few big ticket items (Cam timing check and correct, Joolz remap, Steering rack) and mine was definitely suffering serious neglect. But it is getting well used, and it's in much much better condition than when I bought it, so I don't consider that I'm running it down.
That Bourne Valley one is up the road from me. Been meaning to go have a poke around it for interests sake only since I can't justify another one.
Happy to go have a look over the next few days and report back. I also have a lift in my garage (about 6 miles away) so could get it up on that to take a proper look if the garage next door to the seller won't offer their services.
PM me if I can help I can help in any way.
Matt
Happy to go have a look over the next few days and report back. I also have a lift in my garage (about 6 miles away) so could get it up on that to take a proper look if the garage next door to the seller won't offer their services.
PM me if I can help I can help in any way.
Matt
A speed 6 will cost you a lot less than a AJP so don't discount them
My 19000 mile 2002 Speed6 in mint condition cost me 15,500 so when you take into account how much a 4.5 with the same mileage/year would have cost I could easily have it rebuilt and still be quids in. In fact with the way prices are going I could probably rebuild it as a 4.3.
Now there's a quandary. Of course if I had a magic wand I would swap the Speed6 for a 4.5 AJP but a 4.3 Speed6 with 5 year warranty hmmmmm not so sure
However its showing no signs of needing a rebuild anytime soon. Started after 5 months of layup and was expecting a big cloud of blue smoke as oil would have seeped into the bores because of valve seal wear, but no started and idled perfect
My 19000 mile 2002 Speed6 in mint condition cost me 15,500 so when you take into account how much a 4.5 with the same mileage/year would have cost I could easily have it rebuilt and still be quids in. In fact with the way prices are going I could probably rebuild it as a 4.3.
Now there's a quandary. Of course if I had a magic wand I would swap the Speed6 for a 4.5 AJP but a 4.3 Speed6 with 5 year warranty hmmmmm not so sure
However its showing no signs of needing a rebuild anytime soon. Started after 5 months of layup and was expecting a big cloud of blue smoke as oil would have seeped into the bores because of valve seal wear, but no started and idled perfect
Edited by PuffsBack on Monday 1st April 09:58
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