Won't be needing this any more
Won't be needing this any more
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GasMunkey

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Monday 1st April 2013
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Decided to ditch the stock fuel system, and move on to a swirl pot set up, so me and my trusty companion ripped out the old set up in minutes

I'm going to have the fuel pump,filter,swirl pot and reg in the boot instead, keeping it all accessible,clean and easy to upgrade




Edited by GasMunkey on Monday 1st April 16:29

Chilliman

12,422 posts

191 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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Will you have a fire suppression system in the boot too Alex?

GasMunkey

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Monday 1st April 2013
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Chilliman said:
Will you have a fire suppression system in the boot too Alex?
Do you?

Chilliman

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191 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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Was only trying to be helpful getmecoat

GasMunkey

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Monday 1st April 2013
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Chilliman said:
Was only trying to be helpful getmecoat
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Bassfiend229hp

5,530 posts

280 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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GasMunkey said:
...he does look like he's backing one out in your boot! biggrin

SteveSPG

2,120 posts

232 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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GasMunkey said:
Decided to ditch the stock fuel system, and move on to a swirl pot set up, so me and my trusty companion ripped out the old set up in minutes

I'm going to have the fuel pump,filter,swirl pot and reg in the boot instead, keeping it all accessible,clean and easy to upgrade




Edited by GasMunkey on Monday 1st April 16:29
depending on your setup, there is a integral fuel filter/rgulator that GM uses, that holds 62psi. clamps in place of the old fuel filter, so less plumbing to deal with. just run a single line to the engine, the return goes back from the filter/regulator to the tank.

so far, ive had no fuel slop issues, though i can see some may want a swirl setup for some uses.

GasMunkey

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Monday 1st April 2013
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I see that gm filter/reg I was going to go for it, but decided to replace the lot and run larger lines

I'm very glad I did!!

As soon as I touched the tank the rubber just split where it goes through the boot, and found a fist size silicon ball next to it, the cooper lines are on there last legs and the hoses where pinched up in 2-3 places so it was a time bomb any way,





Edited by GasMunkey on Monday 1st April 18:50

Bassfiend229hp

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280 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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Erm ... what condition are your swirl pot and fuel pump in? biggrin

carsy

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195 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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Whats the swirl pot for and why 2 pumps?

Bassfiend229hp

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Monday 1st April 2013
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carsy said:
Whats the swirl pot for and why 2 pumps?
Basically you are creating a surgeless fuel tank that is fed from the main fuel tank by a low pressure / high volume pump and then your high pressure pump runs from that which feeds the engine fuel rail ... it means that you have less issues with fuel starvation under "enthusiastic" driving. biggrin

SILICONEKID350HP

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261 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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carsy said:
Whats the swirl pot for and why 2 pumps?
The pressure is neutralised when the fuel enters the vessel ..Like a heat store ,needs to pump in and pump out .. I am a plumber !

GasMunkey

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Monday 1st April 2013
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As above really Ian

I might even need to run another pump to support the power I might end up with,

The front nose cone will have a custom ram air intake,

So that gives me a decent air and fuel system, that should be future proof

carsy

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195 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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Thanks chaps, i`d often wondered.


Bassfiend229hp

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Monday 1st April 2013
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SILICONEKID350HP said:
carsy said:
Whats the swirl pot for and why 2 pumps?
The pressure is neutralised when the fuel enters the vessel ..Like a heat store ,needs to pump in and pump out ..
Hmmm ... not really as the swirl pot is at the same pressure as the fuel tank. There's no pressurisation of the swirl pot, it's simply there to provide a "clean" reservoir of fuel that allows for the surging (and possible brief pumping of air instead of fuel) from the fuel tank under enthusiastic driving so that the high pressure pump - that draws from the bottom of the swirl pot and is supplying the fuel rail - doesn't ever get starved of fuel and pump air.

SILICONEKID350HP said:
I am a plumber !
Yup ... biggrin

GasMunkey

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Thursday 11th April 2013
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1st part of the puzzle arrived

Bassfiend229hp

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Thursday 11th April 2013
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GasMunkey said:
1st part of the puzzle arrived
Mmmmm ... shiny goodness!

Steve_D

13,802 posts

288 months

Thursday 11th April 2013
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Bassfiend229hp said:
......the swirl pot is at the same pressure as the fuel tank. There's no pressurisation of the swirl pot, it's simply there to provide a "clean" reservoir of fuel that allows for the surging (and possible brief pumping of air instead of fuel) from the fuel tank under enthusiastic driving so that the high pressure pump - that draws from the bottom of the swirl pot and is supplying the fuel rail - doesn't ever get starved of fuel and pump air......
In most systems this is true but having it under pressure has advantages.
Use a self regulated low pressure pump at about 6-7psi to supply the swirl pot. Make the return to the tank no more than a pin hole to dissipate any trapped air. The pump will then hold the pot at 6-7psi.

When you accelerate really hard there will be a high demand on the high pressure pump. If the supply to that pump is only the head of fuel in the pot then cavitation can occur at the HP pump inlet. Having the pot at pressure will eliminate this or minimise it.

Steve

GasMunkey

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Sunday 14th April 2013
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More bits, very very shiny!


QBee

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174 months

Sunday 14th April 2013
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GasMunkey said:
1st part of the puzzle arrived
Excellent - there's always a need for hot coffee in a. chimaera between November and March......