My answer to the Euro crisis!
My answer to the Euro crisis!
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sunbeam alpine

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7,249 posts

217 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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There doesn't seem to be a lot of point in saving money in the bank at present - if Europe doesn't come along and nick it from you, it doesn't even keep up with inflation - so I've decided to try an alternative approach - putting money into cars which might (hopefully)increase in value, while also being able to enjoy them.

Here is my first effort - an Alfa 155 Q4.









It's like a small time capsule - a nearly brand-new 1993 model, which spent it's first 16 years owned by Alfa Romeo for use at shows etc. It has a fully documented 20,912 km (about 13000 miles) and is like new inside and out.

Virtual beer to the poster who gets closest to the price I paid for it!

Hope to bring it to the next Sunday Service smile

timtoo2

50 posts

169 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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20k km on a car that's 20 years old?.... clocked? I hope not for you as then that's awesome! stab in the dark about price 7995?

trashbat

6,305 posts

182 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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That's ace.

Although availability must be limited, I can't imagine many people consider it a classic yet, and it can't completely escape the low value of old Alfas. £4k?

LADANIVA

1,500 posts

164 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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Did it include the half tank of fuel?

£5000 or there abouts

sunbeam alpine

Original Poster:

7,249 posts

217 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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timtoo2 said:
20k km on a car that's 20 years old?.... clocked? I hope not for you as then that's awesome! stab in the dark about price 7995?
I've got a folder of documents from Alfa detailing every maintenance, MOT, etc. etc. with mileage (km - I'm in Belgium). Some years it only did 100km! It's brand new, inside and out.

P.S. LADANIVA is closest so far - I'll post the exact amount tonight smile

renrut

1,478 posts

234 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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I was having similar thoughts about old TVRs.

My guess £3995 +/- price of the tax/fuel.

drophead

1,056 posts

186 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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£2k and some Revels.

timtoo2

50 posts

169 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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drophead said:
£2k and some Revels.
Take out the coffee ones and that would be the equivalent of a full tank thrown in!

big_boz

1,685 posts

236 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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about 15 grand based on this one.....

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/a...

Lovely motor and i always wanted one (bought a 156 instead as couldn't find a good one with the quick rack at the time) but you will need to keep that a while before you see a decent return on investment i would think.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

284 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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I see that PH "man maths" is getting more creative all the time biggrin

big_boz

1,685 posts

236 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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Mr2Mike said:
I see that PH "man maths" is getting more creative all the time biggrin
The only one on the trader is £600, albeit a 1.8 and with 116k, but it looks tidy enough to me. For the length of time it will take for values to go up substantially on 155's i would suspect it is probably the wiser investment from a ROI basis.

sunbeam alpine

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7,249 posts

217 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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I paid €6200 (it was originally advertised at €7500), so roughly converted that's £5250. I'm expecting about €1000 costs on top - I'm changing all fluids and belts (apparently the timing belt is an engine-out job), but it was last done in 2006, so I think I'll get it all done now, before I start playing.

I was beginning to worry after the first few posts that I'd paid too much. The later posts have cheered me up.

My plan is to enjoy it anyway - if it goes up in value that'll be a bonus smile

sunbeam alpine

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7,249 posts

217 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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trashbat said:
That's ace.

Although availability must be limited, I can't imagine many people consider it a classic yet, and it can't completely escape the low value of old Alfas. £4k?
That's why I bought it. I have been looking at the older Bertone GT Juniors/GTV's, but anything decent is getting expensive, and I've already got a couple of summer-only classics. I'm going to try and predict future classics.

I'm not too confident however - in the past I've had the chance to buy a fully-sorted Mk I Escort and an E30 M3 at bargain prices, and didn't do it. frown

fjord

2,143 posts

166 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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Those wheels are bloody horrible.

sunbeam alpine

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7,249 posts

217 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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fjord said:
Those wheels are bloody horrible.
Funnily enough I thought that at first, although they look much better in real life than in photo's.

I've got the 4 original wheels also, but the tyres are shot.

I was planning on getting the originals on ASAP, but the black wheels are growing on me, plus the tyres are nearly new.

cptsideways

13,883 posts

281 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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Nice little gem you have there

fjord

2,143 posts

166 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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sunbeam alpine said:
Funnily enough I thought that at first, although they look much better in real life than in photo's.

I've got the 4 original wheels also, but the tyres are shot.

I was planning on getting the originals on ASAP, but the black wheels are growing on me, plus the tyres are nearly new.
Will those black wheels not take away the value?

sunbeam alpine

Original Poster:

7,249 posts

217 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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fjord said:
sunbeam alpine said:
Funnily enough I thought that at first, although they look much better in real life than in photo's.

I've got the 4 original wheels also, but the tyres are shot.

I was planning on getting the originals on ASAP, but the black wheels are growing on me, plus the tyres are nearly new.
Will those black wheels not take away the value?
I'm planning to keep the car for the forseeable future, not to make a quick sale. As I said, I have the original wheels anyway. Given the price I paid, I think the value can only go up, unless I wreck it.

Codswallop

5,258 posts

223 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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Looks fantastic smile I really like boxy looking cars for some reason...

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

284 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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big_boz said:
The only one on the trader is £600, albeit a 1.8 and with 116k, but it looks tidy enough to me. For the length of time it will take for values to go up substantially on 155's i would suspect it is probably the wiser investment from a ROI basis.
The Q4 is a rare and fairly desirable car. A bog standard 1.8 155 for £600 is more than likely going to be a fairly unloved banger for the rest of it's life.