Bay leaves. What's the point
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DocArbathnot

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28,930 posts

212 months

Sunday 14th April 2013
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Every chef recommends them but I can't tell any difference. I've tried dry and have a bay tree in the herb garden. I dutifully put them in stews, soups, poached fish and heaven knows what else only to fish this leaf thingy out again before serving with no noticable flavour.

Am I doing something wrong? Or is it over-rated?

DoctorX

8,196 posts

196 months

Sunday 14th April 2013
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I agree. To me they have no discernable taste or odour whatsoever. I thought it was just me.

Mobile Chicane

21,977 posts

241 months

Sunday 14th April 2013
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I wouldn't die in a ditch if bay leaves no longer existed, but to me they add that 'je ne sais quoi' to a dish.

I think they're best used with milk and/or fat: I couldn't imagine bread sauce or onion sourdough bread without bay leaf-infused milk, or a curry sauce base without bay leaves being sweated in cold-pressed rapeseed oil along with the onions.

That said, there are bay leaves and bay leaves. I have a bay hedge outside the house which is particularly aromatic. I think the fact it's at least 50 years old, growing on a chilly hilltop may have something to do with it.

I can't see hot-housed modern bay 'trees' or commercially grown herbs having anywhere near the same depth of flavour.

D1ngd0ng

1,014 posts

194 months

Sunday 14th April 2013
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Torn up and added to the stock pot or added to the rice cooker. Can taste the difference.

DocArbathnot

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28,930 posts

212 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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I've a mature 20 yr bay tree, I've tried using a leaf as it is, breaking it or crushing it but to no avail! All my other herbs (Rosemary, Marjoram, Sage, thyme and several types of mint) give me something back. Not the bay. I should treat it as decorative and move on.

Baryonyx

18,279 posts

188 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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The best thing bay has ever done for me is introduce me to how good tarragon is with fish. I was making a fish pie which called for a bay, cream and shallot base. I forgot to buy any bay leaves, so I ripped up some tarragon and threw that in instead. It was fantastic. I'm glad I couldn't follow the recipes now!

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

255 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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Mobile Chicane said:
I can't see hot-housed modern bay 'trees' or commercially grown herbs having anywhere near the same depth of flavour.
Why not? Is there any science to this, or is it just a feeling?

More than a feeling? (/boston)

Tanguero

4,535 posts

230 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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Some specific flavours have a genetic basis so it is possible that you lack the gene to be able to detect bay. About 3% of the population are total unable to taste/smell it. Same as 8% of people cant smell fresias, my wife swears that they have a wonderful perfume but I am completely unable to smell them at all.

Its more probable that you have got a bad bay tree. The leaves off mine have a wonderfully pungent fragrance. I often use them finely shredded as the predominant flavouring in braised lamb shanks, or for salt curing bream. Young fresh leaves and old mature leaves have distinctly different aromas. Try taking a wander round a garden centre and sampling a number of trees and seeing if you can find one that is more pungent.

Steve Evil

10,817 posts

258 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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I've always noticed the difference after putting them in bolognese sauce, as MC suggests, there's just that little extra something that it brings to the flavour of the dish.