How i would Reduce Crime - Honest Answer
Discussion
After being at the pointy edge of Law and Order for the past 20 years, i have made many observations.
Some have been based upon my own experiences, the experiences of others and on what the main topics of converstion have been, whether it be in the canteen, on the news and not least....public opinion.
The amount of time wasting procedure, some of it pedantic, some a waste of time, that goes on in the Police Service today quite frankly....beggers belief.
What we need are proper charging centres.
Places where a prisoner is taken in, original notes are completed by the arresting/witnessing Officers then the whole lot is handed over to teams who deal with the whole thing to its conclusion.
This would get crime down in an instant...guaranteed.
Too many times, people are not arrested because of a variety of reasons, not least because the Offence seems to be trivial and will take you off the road for the next 8 hours or so.
The next plus point is that as these people become well practised in the procedure, they will quickly become real experts. This will lead to minimal mistakes in the Prosecution files, lead to greater public confidence and then everyone will be happy.
We certainly dont need any CSO's....the government should spend the money on these 'Centres' and the result will be many hundreds of Police hours saved, getting people back out onto the streets where they belong.....
At the moment things are not looking good.
One Traffic car for an area who are 'off' with a simple arrest which takes hours and hours. This 'expertise'is subsequently lost and again the public sufer.
Once an arrest is made, the next problem is finding space for that prisoner. Somtimes you have to travel 10 miles into another Force area just so that you can get your prisoner into a Police Station.
On top of all this in the next few days, new procedure/form filling is coming in which will waste yet more of our time. This is a Form, similar to the Stop and Search form which must be filled in everytime you speak to someone.
Obviously not when you say hello etc but if you stop and speak to a group of kids and ask them what they are doing etc then yet more time is wasted filling out these forms
These are real facts Ladies and Gents and ones which would certainly be alieviated by the introduction of these centres.
Its certainly not rocket science, but something so simple is always overlooked.
Some have been based upon my own experiences, the experiences of others and on what the main topics of converstion have been, whether it be in the canteen, on the news and not least....public opinion.
The amount of time wasting procedure, some of it pedantic, some a waste of time, that goes on in the Police Service today quite frankly....beggers belief.
What we need are proper charging centres.
Places where a prisoner is taken in, original notes are completed by the arresting/witnessing Officers then the whole lot is handed over to teams who deal with the whole thing to its conclusion.
This would get crime down in an instant...guaranteed.
Too many times, people are not arrested because of a variety of reasons, not least because the Offence seems to be trivial and will take you off the road for the next 8 hours or so.
The next plus point is that as these people become well practised in the procedure, they will quickly become real experts. This will lead to minimal mistakes in the Prosecution files, lead to greater public confidence and then everyone will be happy.
We certainly dont need any CSO's....the government should spend the money on these 'Centres' and the result will be many hundreds of Police hours saved, getting people back out onto the streets where they belong.....
At the moment things are not looking good.
One Traffic car for an area who are 'off' with a simple arrest which takes hours and hours. This 'expertise'is subsequently lost and again the public sufer.
Once an arrest is made, the next problem is finding space for that prisoner. Somtimes you have to travel 10 miles into another Force area just so that you can get your prisoner into a Police Station.
On top of all this in the next few days, new procedure/form filling is coming in which will waste yet more of our time. This is a Form, similar to the Stop and Search form which must be filled in everytime you speak to someone.
Obviously not when you say hello etc but if you stop and speak to a group of kids and ask them what they are doing etc then yet more time is wasted filling out these forms
These are real facts Ladies and Gents and ones which would certainly be alieviated by the introduction of these centres.
Its certainly not rocket science, but something so simple is always overlooked.
As usual the people who are actually doing the job have some good ideas. Listen to them.
Why does no one in authority try and sort this and all of the other mess out.
This country, downward spiral, without a doubt. No wonder everyone is p*ssed off, moaning, depressed.
Phoenix
p.s off to take another happy pill
Why does no one in authority try and sort this and all of the other mess out.
This country, downward spiral, without a doubt. No wonder everyone is p*ssed off, moaning, depressed.
Phoenix
p.s off to take another happy pill
Pure common sense - TonyR Liebchen!
Those pen pushers at the top - who know nowt other than what it says in the text book - und even then they have to look it up cos they have so few little grey cells ....should listen to those actually at the sharp end.
Hope they listen - lots of clerks around who can do this for you - create lot of useful jobs instead of pretend ones....und we get you larking around on the streets doing the job properly...
Everyone's a winner here
Those pen pushers at the top - who know nowt other than what it says in the text book - und even then they have to look it up cos they have so few little grey cells ....should listen to those actually at the sharp end.
Hope they listen - lots of clerks around who can do this for you - create lot of useful jobs instead of pretend ones....und we get you larking around on the streets doing the job properly...
Everyone's a winner here
I spent a shift with a crew once and it took them 4 hours to process a drunk driver. Stupid. (System not the officers)
The trouble is that the systems are designed by people (i.e. civil servants and politicians) who have no real idea what the end objective is.
For police officers their primary objective should be the prevention, detection and investigation of crime. Anything that is not in align with this primary objective should be looked at very closely and perhaps scrapped.
The trouble is that the systems are designed by people (i.e. civil servants and politicians) who have no real idea what the end objective is.
For police officers their primary objective should be the prevention, detection and investigation of crime. Anything that is not in align with this primary objective should be looked at very closely and perhaps scrapped.
Tony.
What is happening on all those "fly on the wall" progs when a scrote is nicked and then the arresting officer calls up for a transit van? Does the 2nd officer take over or are both now committed?
Perhaps there is a need for a "Group 4" type multi cell truck (like they visit courts with) to be available on busy nights.
Steve
What is happening on all those "fly on the wall" progs when a scrote is nicked and then the arresting officer calls up for a transit van? Does the 2nd officer take over or are both now committed?
Perhaps there is a need for a "Group 4" type multi cell truck (like they visit courts with) to be available on busy nights.
Steve
TonyRec said:
Brilliant idea, unfortunately unlikely to happen,
It hasnt happened in the 20 years that i know so i think what you say is a cast iron bet.
Great idea Tony.
What would it take for your bosses and those higher up to listen to those that know; ie cops on the street at ground level. I think we are all utterly p*ssed off at the number of times we hear stories about "consultants" that have been brought in to evaluate a problem. Firm spends mega£ on such consultation. Result?...........They come to the same conclusion that the guys at ground level have been saying for years. Doh
blademan said:
Great idea Tony.
What would it take for your bosses and those higher up to listen to those that know; ie cops on the street at ground level. I think we are all utterly p*ssed off at the number of times we hear stories about "consultants" that have been brought in to evaluate a problem. Firm spends mega£ on such consultation. Result?...........They come to the same conclusion that the guys at ground level have been saying for years. Doh
Only if you are lucky!
blademan said:
kevinday said:
Brilliant idea, unfortunately unlikely to happen,
It hasnt happened in the 20 years that i know so i think what you say is a cast iron bet.
Great idea Tony.
What would it take for your bosses and those higher up to listen to those that know; ie cops on the street at ground level. I think we are all utterly p*ssed off at the number of times we hear stories about "consultants" that have been brought in to evaluate a problem. Firm spends mega£ on such consultation. Result?...........They come to the same conclusion that the guys at ground level have been saying for years. Doh
Implausible conclusion ; consultants will come up with whatever the bosses want to hear ; usually the latest technical gadget & more systems and forms.
I am quite fascinated by this ; if BiB are off active work for 4 hours following an arrest what are you actually doing ?
Tony,
How many of these centres would be required?
How would/could they be staffed? (could you use civvi police here?)
once the person is processed what happens to em then?
think its sounds really good....
oh, and definitely legalise drugs - aside from the fact that it makes very little sense having them illegal in the face of so many legal toxins, it would be properly regulated (quality control) and more improtantly TAXED. I reckon there is easily as much tax potential in dope as in fags.....
How many of these centres would be required?
How would/could they be staffed? (could you use civvi police here?)
once the person is processed what happens to em then?
think its sounds really good....
oh, and definitely legalise drugs - aside from the fact that it makes very little sense having them illegal in the face of so many legal toxins, it would be properly regulated (quality control) and more improtantly TAXED. I reckon there is easily as much tax potential in dope as in fags.....
Nightmare said:
Tony,
How many of these centres would be required?
How would/could they be staffed? (could you use civvi police here?)
once the person is processed what happens to em then?
think its sounds really good....
You would need quite a few of the Centres for it to be effective. They could be staffed by a mixture of Detectives,Crown Prosecution Service and Civilian Admin Officers.
Once they are processed they could be either bailed or in Custody until Court.
People have been talking about these Centres for a few years now but for some reason they are not popular with the 'Cartel' and powers to be so they will never happen.
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