8th May 1982
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skeggysteve

Original Poster:

5,724 posts

246 months

Wednesday 8th May 2013
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Very surprised that no one has posted about this but just to remind all and give the youngster something to think about.

Just read some of the quotes here:

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/2...

One of my favourites is ' "No, no," he grinned. "I ran out of lock! "

But the best is from Keke:

"Gilles was the hardest bd I ever raced against, but completely fair."

RIP Gilles

Mini1275

11,098 posts

211 months

Wednesday 8th May 2013
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I wasn't around to witness him in person, but after many, many hours lost watching footage of him I know that if there is a heaven, he'll be right up there, smoking around on opposite lock.

RIP Gilles.


Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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I always looked on him as a bit of a wild man on the track. He was certainly great entertainment and he may have calmed down a bit had he lived.

For him, racing was what it was all about - not championships.

The polar opposite of Michael Schumacher I would suggest.

viggyp

1,919 posts

164 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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Best driver never to win a championship. He was, and still is my hero.

CocoUK

1,065 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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Gilles lusted after the top-of-the-line, twelve cylinder Ferrari Berlinetta Boxer and planned to negotiate one in a future contract.
His appetite had been whetted by the Boxer owner Walter Wolf: 'I asked Gilles to take my BB to the Ferrari factory for repairs. But it needed more work when he brought it back!

Gilles always waited until the last minute on his trips to Fiorano. For normal people the trip from Monte Carlo is roughly five hours and if you were really quick you might make it in three and one-half hours. Gilles always did it in two and three-quarter hours. It's no wonder I needed a new car after Gillies took it in a few times for maintenance.'

Carstudio

96 posts

241 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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viggyp said:
Best driver never to win a championship. He was, and still is my hero.
I think he was the Best driver full stop. Nobody could have acheived the wins he did in the cars he had at his disposal. The T5 and early turbos were sheds and according to Harvey Postlethwaite, the designer at Ferrari in 1982, the car with which he won the '81 Monaco and Spanish Grand Prixs had around a third of the downforce ot the Williams and Mclarens at that time. A driver who deserved the Legend title.

viggyp

1,919 posts

164 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Carstudio said:
viggyp said:
Best driver never to win a championship. He was, and still is my hero.
I think he was the Best driver full stop. Nobody could have acheived the wins he did in the cars he had at his disposal. The T5 and early turbos were sheds and according to Harvey Postlethwaite, the designer at Ferrari in 1982, the car with which he won the '81 Monaco and Spanish Grand Prixs had around a third of the downforce ot the Williams and Mclarens at that time. A driver who deserved the Legend title.
I agree 100% with you. I'd love to see a documentary made about Gilles. Now that would be amazing provided it was done right.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Carstudio said:
viggyp said:
Best driver never to win a championship. He was, and still is my hero.
I think he was the Best driver full stop. Nobody could have acheived the wins he did in the cars he had at his disposal. The T5 and early turbos were sheds and according to Harvey Postlethwaite, the designer at Ferrari in 1982, the car with which he won the '81 Monaco and Spanish Grand Prixs had around a third of the downforce ot the Williams and Mclarens at that time. A driver who deserved the Legend title.
Downforce didn't really count at Monaco and at Jerez that year he used the superior power of the Ferrari to keep ahead of the rest and then blocked them in the turns. He had a train of about six cars behind him for most of the race. They just couldn't get past.

Nowadays he'd have been told off for blocking.



Grenoble

59,232 posts

184 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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I always love the Watkins Glen story.

heebeegeetee

30,121 posts

277 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Eric Mc said:
Downforce didn't really count at Monaco and at Jerez that year he used the superior power of the Ferrari to keep ahead of the rest and then blocked them in the turns. He had a train of about six cars behind him for most of the race. They just couldn't get past.

Nowadays he'd have been told off for blocking.
I've never read that before from anyone, including the drivers at the time who couldn't get past. I reckon 'blocking' would have been anathema to him.

rubystone

11,254 posts

288 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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viggyp said:
Best driver never to win a championship. He was, and still is my hero.
Better than Moss?

rubystone

11,254 posts

288 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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Eric Mc said:
Downforce didn't really count at Monaco and at Jerez that year he used the superior power of the Ferrari to keep ahead of the rest and then blocked them in the turns. He had a train of about six cars behind him for most of the race. They just couldn't get past.

Nowadays he'd have been told off for blocking.
You mean Jarama I think. As you say, that kind of defensive driving would attract more penalty points than exceeding the variable speed limit on the M25 at Heathrow....

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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heebeegeetee said:
Eric Mc said:
Downforce didn't really count at Monaco and at Jerez that year he used the superior power of the Ferrari to keep ahead of the rest and then blocked them in the turns. He had a train of about six cars behind him for most of the race. They just couldn't get past.

Nowadays he'd have been told off for blocking.
I've never read that before from anyone, including the drivers at the time who couldn't get past. I reckon 'blocking' would have been anathema to him.
What he was doing back then would almost definitely be construed as "blocking" today. However, it wasn't then and as far as I am aware, none of the other drivers complained in any way.


rallynick

1 posts

160 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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I just finished Gerald Donaldson's great book about him. Gilles really lit up the F1 world and bought a whole new legion of fans to the sport.

Best ever? Who knows - but for sheer excitement he was the man.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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I used to find his antics extremely frustrating actually. They could be fun - but sometimes he did things that defied sense and you would wonder what on earth he was thinking.

Fantuzzi

3,297 posts

175 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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Eric Mc said:
I used to find his antics extremely frustrating actually. They could be fun - but sometimes he did things that defied sense and you would wonder what on earth he was thinking.
Been looking at some old videos as he was before my time, mainly ballsy overtakes, although his french grand prix with arnoux was scrappier than I was expecting.

Could you give some examples? Because as with any driver who is revered the stuff you read or watch has been done by fans so is rather bias.

Thanks

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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Google Dutch GP 1979 for an example of his wild behaviour. It was entertaining but rather senseless.

viggyp

1,919 posts

164 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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rubystone said:
viggyp said:
Best driver never to win a championship. He was, and still is my hero.
Better than Moss?
In my opinion, yes but I think it's damn near impossible to rate the best F1 driver due to different generations/cars, etc.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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How close did Villenueve ever get to a championship.

Did he care anyway?

Grenoble

59,232 posts

184 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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Eric Mc said:
How close did Villenueve ever get to a championship.

Did he care anyway?
1979, 4 points short.

And no, probably not, but I think Jacques saw it as unfinished business - I wonder if it helped him get closure?