Advisory Speed limits.
Discussion
I'm sure this will have been thought of before but Wildcat's earlier comment about the advisory limit on the German Autobahns got me thinking. What if all limits where advisory and if some thing happened whilst you were exceeding that you got the book thrown at you? I feel it would link the crime to a consequence.
medicineman said:
I'm sure this will have been thought of before but Wildcat's earlier comment about the advisory limit on the German Autobahns got me thinking. What if all limits where advisory and if some thing happened whilst you were exceeding that you got the book thrown at you? I feel it would link the crime to a consequence.
Advisory, rather than mandatory, speed limits would be welcome in my view, but nobody else yet seems to have shown much support for the idea so far as I am aware.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Streetcop said:
You can't tell most people...let alone 'advise' them...
Evening Dave...anyway...hope you're well Sir...
Street
Hello Gary, yes all OK here thanks, and yourself likewise I trust.
I hope all goes well with you in your new motorway job tomorrow. Issue lots of tickets to the tailgaters, and let's cut out some of the pushing and shoving. If I may say so I reckon they are the main troublemakers.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
TripleS said:
Hello Gary, yes all OK here thanks, and yourself likewise I trust.
I hope all goes well with you in your new motorway job tomorrow. Issue lots of tickets to the tailgaters, and let's cut out some of the pushing and shoving. If I may say so I reckon they are the main troublemakers.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Hi Dave..
Thanks for the well wishes...today went ok...bags of facts/figures, info and etc thrown my way...classroom environment today. Really enjoyable though..then out on road later in week...
Street
Don't think so...zumbruk said:
Who said "all the time"? They're three times more effective than a scamera (TRL figures), so plainly some people will "be told".
Bit worrying when people need electronic signs to remind them they are exceeding the speed limit..
... Then again..nothing really surprises me..
Streetcop said:
Who said "all the time"? They're three times more effective than a scamera (TRL figures), so plainly some people will "be told".
Bit worrying when people need electronic signs to remind them they are exceeding the speed limit..
...when they should be staring at their speedo.
the 'staring' ssrgument is pathetically weak....but....that is one of the problems with scameras. If we accept that most drivers are relatively incapable - which is the 'lowest commen denominator' argument used often for things like limits - then surely we have to accept they arent as capable of looking at road and speedo at same time? So we're putting things in place which could cause the average driving retard to have an accident? hmm
Streetcop said:
Who said "all the time"? They're three times more effective than a scamera (TRL figures), so plainly some people will "be told".
Bit worrying when people need electronic signs to remind them they are exceeding the speed limit..
Then again..nothing really surprises me..
They have a sign on A580 and A6 running into Manchester. And another on A6 at place called Little Hulton at M61 exit there. They have these in Stockport as well.
They are permanently set at the speed limit enforced - 30mph at Little Hulton and the Stockport ones. The A580/A6 Salford ones are 50 mph. They are on as permanent - alternating with "Slow Down" and the speed limit. about a half mile beyond each of these is a .... GATSO!
This was GMP's solution before the Manchester Prats set up - so they can take absolutely no credit whatsoever for waht seems to me to be a reasobable warning system for every driver on those roads. It is like a b2 on the kerbside warning you of the speed limit and I really have no problem with this at all.
Do have problem with Steve's cloak and dagger activities at Ings and other places around my back yard - and I do have issue over similar practices in Lancs, Wales, Cambs and the other hot spots .
But there is nothing wrong with this kind of sign. It is not a scamera...and it is helpful to people who are new to an area and manage to miss a lollipop!
I would bet that most of Steve's takings are from the tourists rather than the residents as well...
But back to topic of "advisory speed limits" - works in Germany because of the inherent discipline and the way they are taught in first place. You also - as Wildy has said - pay a surcharge on insurances to cover yourself for blats.
We need to set something similar in place regarding our training before we can realistically go down this route.
But - they may have deristricted sections on A/bahn - but they rigidly enforce the other roads. Some urban roads are 20 mph even.
But once this is sorted - no reason why it cannot work
Every bit as capable as those Germans ...
We need to set something similar in place regarding our training before we can realistically go down this route.
But - they may have deristricted sections on A/bahn - but they rigidly enforce the other roads. Some urban roads are 20 mph even.
But once this is sorted - no reason why it cannot work
Every bit as capable as those Germans ... I reckon the variable limits on the M25 work fairly well and could be spread onto our other busy motorways (M6 springs most easily to mind). They would work far better if they could be raised as conditions improved though, say to about 90 or even 100. Then people would take even more notice.
Streetcop said:
Who said "all the time"? They're three times more effective than a scamera (TRL figures), so plainly some people will "be told".
Bit worrying when people need electronic signs to remind them they are exceeding the speed limit..
Then again..nothing really surprises me..
Not sure it's a case of being reminded they're exceeding the speed limit - more a case of being reminded 'they might/should consider slowing down a bit?'
I'd like to believe that given a 'please slow down for this bit of road' option, and given that when it's safe to proceed at an elevated speed that most drivers would exercise the relevant caution - guess I'm being way to optimistic here huh?
Think it's been said many times before - there is nothing worse than travelling a deserted section of road in the early hours of the morning only to hit an enforced 40mph section where 40mph is surely over cautious and plainly unnecessary.
M6 at 2am is a classic example, yet pay your £3 for the toll road vs your £60 and 3 points and it's perfectly ok to go at +80mph.
I'm really beginning to realise that the powers that be have got this speeding issue completely wrong.
Traffic (outside of an urban area) will find its own natural natural velocity. Our roads are so congested now that there is no alternative - shit it took me from 16:00 to 22:30 to get back from Liverpool to London on Sunday - the last leg of the M1 was practically at a stand still yet on the outward journey 90mph was very realistic even through the road worked sections of the M6 - but cameras prevent this from being a reallity - sickening really.
This evening I did a run along the A2 - sure lanes are closed off and bollards abound but there aint a workmen in sight yet you're supposed to adhere to 40mph on an empty two lane road - why?
best
Ex
TheExcession said:
This evening I did a run along the A2 - sure lanes are closed off and bollards abound but there aint a workmen in sight yet you're supposed to adhere to 40mph on an empty two lane road - why?
best
Ex
Do you mean by Bluewater? Never seen a fat arse workman on that section of road yet, so why the ridiculous limit?!
Anyone here travel the 'new' A13? What the hell have they done to that road?!! Used to be lovely, now it's a two-lane 40mph limit. Why?!
Themoss said:
Do you mean by Bluewater? Never seen a fat arse workman on that section of road yet, so why the ridiculous limit?!
Me neither, although I did see (almost too closely) a family saloon almost take me off the road as he crossed into my lane whilst braking and staring at the speed cam as you come down the hill.
Luckily the camera didn't trigger as I accelerated(shock horror!) to get out of his way.
The government says speed kills but, in this case, breaking the speed limit could've potentially saved my life.
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