Tuscan Mk1/Mk2 /--- I need a new one---
Tuscan Mk1/Mk2 /--- I need a new one---
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Tuscanuwe

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323 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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Looking out for a Tuscan now,
How more is a 2003 refined compared to a 2000 model and how much better is a 2005 model?
But its hard to live with the 2005 instruments from my way.
I had a 2000 Mk1 W registered, from the early ones with the small disk in front.
This one has gone now.

Never got good suspension at higher speeds with my Mk1, Gaz golds and spacers, different setups
tried more than one time!

Reasonable offers appreciated, open for everything, even with broken engine
(i have a good spare 4.0 in my garage).

but leather,inside and outriggers must be good condition
Willing to pay good prive for good car/colour combo

Uwe

GTrr

1,627 posts

298 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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MKII's are markedly better in terms of handling/stability although you still need to do a few mods to make it really good.

ratboiler

440 posts

207 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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If you go for the MK2 convertible they have the best dash board, but are racing up in value, one has just been posted at 45k, take a look at the dash board. Other MK2 have the baboons rear end dash.

swisstoni

20,104 posts

295 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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So exactly what was done to make the Mk2 handle better than the Mk1?

Walford

2,259 posts

182 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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swisstoni said:
So exactly what was done to make the Mk2 handle better than the Mk1?
believe Geo change is around mid 2001 different front upright and top wishbone

less KPI more castor easy to tell just stick your head under and look at top wishbone

swisstoni

20,104 posts

295 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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So the Mk2 has pretty much the same setup as post 2001 Mk1's.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

263 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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Spoke to Ian at Sportmotive this afternoon, he knows of an '03 coming up for sale, might be worth a phone call.

GTrr

1,627 posts

298 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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swisstoni said:
So the Mk2 has pretty much the same setup as post 2001 Mk1's.
Don't think so. The MKII is more like the convert and the sag. But then almost every indiv car feels different ...

Walford

2,259 posts

182 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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GTrr said:
swisstoni said:
So the Mk2 has pretty much the same setup as post 2001 Mk1's.
Don't think so. The MKII is more like the convert and the sag. But then almost every indiv car feels different ...
Tuscan, Tamora and T350 are T cars with the same chassis

Sagaris is the same chassis with different mounting points for suspension, (wider and lower roll center)

so very different car,

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Djdan

570 posts

164 months

Thursday 9th May 2013
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...theres a 06 coming up for sale at TVR Ecosse very shortly, if your into black on black and you have the dough this would be the ultimate!

GTrr

1,627 posts

298 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Walford said:
Tuscan, Tamora and T350 are T cars with the same chassis

Sagaris is the same chassis with different mounting points for suspension, (wider and lower roll center)

so very different car,

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Sag and convert/MKII S are (almost) identical except for the wider track.
The later Tuscans are much more compliant/stable than the early ones, big difference.

Walford

2,259 posts

182 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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GTrr said:
Walford said:
Tuscan, Tamora and T350 are T cars with the same chassis

Sagaris is the same chassis with different mounting points for suspension, (wider and lower roll center)

so very different car,

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Sag and convert/MKII S are (almost) identical except for the wider track.
The later Tuscans are much more compliant/stable than the early ones, big difference.
Are you saying the convertable and MKII S run the Sagaris lower roll center ??????????????


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Tuscanuwe

Original Poster:

323 posts

211 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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I do not remember, but i read a time ago that with the Mk1 in 2002/2003 they changed the upper wishbones to longer ones, and with the Mk2 they additionally changed the welding points for the wishbone mounting brackets to make an additional improvement.
In youtube(Wiesmann/Tuscan)at 8.09 min are the results, the Tuscan2 is only o.2 seconds away from the sagaris.
1 Second fast than a Lambo Gallardo

Tuscan Test youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sCuvWlheco
Results at 8.09 min

Test sagaris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbO_CaGJXZ4
results at 8.38 min

So the setup is very good from the Mk2, due to it was not a Tuscan"s"!

Only someone who has driven a Mk1 2000, and a MK1 2004 and a Mk2 can give exact answers.

Uwe

GTrr

1,627 posts

298 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Walford said:
Are you saying the convertable and MKII S run the Sagaris lower roll center ??????????????


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Don't know mate, we need an expert for that. Think track and pickup points are different; Sag has more wheel travel but for the rest ...
Johnny where are you?

Edited by GTrr on Friday 10th May 16:00

dvs_dave

9,040 posts

241 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Over the years I think I have gained the following understanding of suspension mods.

The Mk1 Tuscan S was when the revised front geo with the longer top wishbone and different uprights where introduced. The rack was shortened and raised as the early cars had the longer Cerbera rack mounted direct on the chassis. This is why early cars were so twitchy. These mods were quietly rolled out across the range after that. The mk2 introduced a slower rack and revised damper tuning. At some point differently positioned chassis rear shock mounts were introduced allowing the rear shocks to be more upright making effective spring/damper rates more progressive which improved ride and rear end stability.

The Sagaris had revised suspension pickup points that lowered the roll center and widened the track. The saggy also had different "offset" steering arms and different spring/damper rates again. The saggy uses the same wishbones and uprights though. None of these mods made it into any of the other cars although I believe it was the eventual intention.

so called

9,154 posts

225 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Hi Dave,
How's Chicago ?

My best technical answer to the difference is, I crashed my Mk1 !!! Haven't crashed the Mk2 yet smile

Walford

2,259 posts

182 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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dvs_dave said:
Over the years I think I have gained the following understanding of suspension mods.

The Mk1 Tuscan S was when the revised front geo with the longer top wishbone and different uprights where introduced. The rack was shortened and raised as the early cars had the longer Cerbera rack mounted direct on the chassis. This is why early cars were so twitchy. These mods were quietly rolled out across the range after that. The mk2 introduced a slower rack and revised damper tuning. At some point differently positioned chassis rear shock mounts were introduced allowing the rear shocks to be more upright making effective spring/damper rates more progressive which improved ride and rear end stability.
Some cars had different turning circle, so lock to lock turns were the same, but appear different on paper

would like to know what rear anti-roll bar cars had/have mines 19mm

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Tuscanuwe

Original Poster:

323 posts

211 months

Monday 13th May 2013
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Steering rack get a little bit lower ratio sometimes in 2002/2003.
But as it looks like noboby can figure when exact this updates are installed
to which cars.

Uwe