Tuscan Mk1/Mk2 /--- I need a new one---
Discussion
Looking out for a Tuscan now,
How more is a 2003 refined compared to a 2000 model and how much better is a 2005 model?
But its hard to live with the 2005 instruments from my way.
I had a 2000 Mk1 W registered, from the early ones with the small disk in front.
This one has gone now.
Never got good suspension at higher speeds with my Mk1, Gaz golds and spacers, different setups
tried more than one time!
Reasonable offers appreciated, open for everything, even with broken engine
(i have a good spare 4.0 in my garage).
but leather,inside and outriggers must be good condition
Willing to pay good prive for good car/colour combo
Uwe
How more is a 2003 refined compared to a 2000 model and how much better is a 2005 model?
But its hard to live with the 2005 instruments from my way.
I had a 2000 Mk1 W registered, from the early ones with the small disk in front.
This one has gone now.
Never got good suspension at higher speeds with my Mk1, Gaz golds and spacers, different setups
tried more than one time!
Reasonable offers appreciated, open for everything, even with broken engine
(i have a good spare 4.0 in my garage).
but leather,inside and outriggers must be good condition
Willing to pay good prive for good car/colour combo
Uwe
GTrr said:
swisstoni said:
So the Mk2 has pretty much the same setup as post 2001 Mk1's.
Don't think so. The MKII is more like the convert and the sag. But then almost every indiv car feels different ...Sagaris is the same chassis with different mounting points for suspension, (wider and lower roll center)
so very different car,
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Walford said:
Tuscan, Tamora and T350 are T cars with the same chassis
Sagaris is the same chassis with different mounting points for suspension, (wider and lower roll center)
so very different car,
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Sag and convert/MKII S are (almost) identical except for the wider track. Sagaris is the same chassis with different mounting points for suspension, (wider and lower roll center)
so very different car,
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The later Tuscans are much more compliant/stable than the early ones, big difference.
GTrr said:
Walford said:
Tuscan, Tamora and T350 are T cars with the same chassis
Sagaris is the same chassis with different mounting points for suspension, (wider and lower roll center)
so very different car,
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Sag and convert/MKII S are (almost) identical except for the wider track. Sagaris is the same chassis with different mounting points for suspension, (wider and lower roll center)
so very different car,
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The later Tuscans are much more compliant/stable than the early ones, big difference.
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I do not remember, but i read a time ago that with the Mk1 in 2002/2003 they changed the upper wishbones to longer ones, and with the Mk2 they additionally changed the welding points for the wishbone mounting brackets to make an additional improvement.
In youtube(Wiesmann/Tuscan)at 8.09 min are the results, the Tuscan2 is only o.2 seconds away from the sagaris.
1 Second fast than a Lambo Gallardo
Tuscan Test youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sCuvWlheco
Results at 8.09 min
Test sagaris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbO_CaGJXZ4
results at 8.38 min
So the setup is very good from the Mk2, due to it was not a Tuscan"s"!
Only someone who has driven a Mk1 2000, and a MK1 2004 and a Mk2 can give exact answers.
Uwe
In youtube(Wiesmann/Tuscan)at 8.09 min are the results, the Tuscan2 is only o.2 seconds away from the sagaris.
1 Second fast than a Lambo Gallardo
Tuscan Test youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sCuvWlheco
Results at 8.09 min
Test sagaris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbO_CaGJXZ4
results at 8.38 min
So the setup is very good from the Mk2, due to it was not a Tuscan"s"!
Only someone who has driven a Mk1 2000, and a MK1 2004 and a Mk2 can give exact answers.
Uwe
Walford said:
Are you saying the convertable and MKII S run the Sagaris lower roll center ??????????????
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Don't know mate, we need an expert for that. Think track and pickup points are different; Sag has more wheel travel but for the rest ....
Johnny where are you?
Edited by GTrr on Friday 10th May 16:00
Over the years I think I have gained the following understanding of suspension mods.
The Mk1 Tuscan S was when the revised front geo with the longer top wishbone and different uprights where introduced. The rack was shortened and raised as the early cars had the longer Cerbera rack mounted direct on the chassis. This is why early cars were so twitchy. These mods were quietly rolled out across the range after that. The mk2 introduced a slower rack and revised damper tuning. At some point differently positioned chassis rear shock mounts were introduced allowing the rear shocks to be more upright making effective spring/damper rates more progressive which improved ride and rear end stability.
The Sagaris had revised suspension pickup points that lowered the roll center and widened the track. The saggy also had different "offset" steering arms and different spring/damper rates again. The saggy uses the same wishbones and uprights though. None of these mods made it into any of the other cars although I believe it was the eventual intention.
The Mk1 Tuscan S was when the revised front geo with the longer top wishbone and different uprights where introduced. The rack was shortened and raised as the early cars had the longer Cerbera rack mounted direct on the chassis. This is why early cars were so twitchy. These mods were quietly rolled out across the range after that. The mk2 introduced a slower rack and revised damper tuning. At some point differently positioned chassis rear shock mounts were introduced allowing the rear shocks to be more upright making effective spring/damper rates more progressive which improved ride and rear end stability.
The Sagaris had revised suspension pickup points that lowered the roll center and widened the track. The saggy also had different "offset" steering arms and different spring/damper rates again. The saggy uses the same wishbones and uprights though. None of these mods made it into any of the other cars although I believe it was the eventual intention.
dvs_dave said:
Over the years I think I have gained the following understanding of suspension mods.
The Mk1 Tuscan S was when the revised front geo with the longer top wishbone and different uprights where introduced. The rack was shortened and raised as the early cars had the longer Cerbera rack mounted direct on the chassis. This is why early cars were so twitchy. These mods were quietly rolled out across the range after that. The mk2 introduced a slower rack and revised damper tuning. At some point differently positioned chassis rear shock mounts were introduced allowing the rear shocks to be more upright making effective spring/damper rates more progressive which improved ride and rear end stability.
Some cars had different turning circle, so lock to lock turns were the same, but appear different on paperThe Mk1 Tuscan S was when the revised front geo with the longer top wishbone and different uprights where introduced. The rack was shortened and raised as the early cars had the longer Cerbera rack mounted direct on the chassis. This is why early cars were so twitchy. These mods were quietly rolled out across the range after that. The mk2 introduced a slower rack and revised damper tuning. At some point differently positioned chassis rear shock mounts were introduced allowing the rear shocks to be more upright making effective spring/damper rates more progressive which improved ride and rear end stability.
would like to know what rear anti-roll bar cars had/have mines 19mm
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