Copyright question
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nickcowen

Original Poster:

625 posts

192 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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If I where to print a t-shirt with a photograph that has a brand on it would I be breaking copyright law??

Simpo Two

92,704 posts

294 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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nickcowen said:
If I where to print a t-shirt with a photograph that has a brand on it would I be breaking copyright law??
Two issues here - before you get to the brand, who took the photgraph?

nickcowen

Original Poster:

625 posts

192 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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I took the photo and the photo in question is this

Corona Extra by Nicholas Cowen, on Flickr

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Yes.

Simpo Two

92,704 posts

294 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Well that's one possible problem out of the way. As for replicating the Corona brand, what do you intend to do with the T-shirts? If it was one for your own use, I'd say carry on. However if you intend selling them for profit you might be in trouble as you're making money from their brand without permission.

Owzat?

nickcowen

Original Poster:

625 posts

192 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Was just for my own used

Simpo Two

92,704 posts

294 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Then I wouldn't worry about it. If you happen to bump into one of Corona's lawyers you can always take it off smile

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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If it is just your own use, then it's still an infringement, but I wouldn't worry about it. The chances of Corona seeing you, much less coming after you, are next to zero.

5hero

2,788 posts

186 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Greg66 said:
The chances of Corona seeing you, much less coming after you, are next to zero.
I work for Corona Mr Nicholas I Cowen, SK15. Yes, it's illegal and we will hunt you down.

Simpo Two

92,704 posts

294 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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And Mr Cowen goes to the local press who make Corona look like corporate bullies needlessly victimising little guy soft targets. Corona PR person has to go on TV and decides that PR is more important than suing little guy.

5hero

2,788 posts

186 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Shhhhh, I'm pretending wink

Simpo Two

92,704 posts

294 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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dang...

Flibble

6,538 posts

210 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Copyright is no problem - you own the copyright on your own photos.
Trademark is a problem - they have the right to restrict use of their trademarks.

However as others have said, they won't notice this most likely so go for it.

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Flibble said:
Copyright is no problem - you own the copyright on your own photos.
Trademark is a problem - they have the right to restrict use of their trademarks.

However as others have said, they won't notice this most likely so go for it.
The OP will own copyright in his own photo, but his photo reproduces the Corona label, which is a copyright work, without Cornona's consent. So copyright is indeed a problem.

The OP will only infringe the Corona trademark if the mark is registered for the specific class of goods that covers T-shirts.

Simpo Two

92,704 posts

294 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Greg66 said:
The OP will own copyright in his own photo, but his photo reproduces the Corona label, which is a copyright work, without Cornona's consent. So copyright is indeed a problem.
This is difficult ground. What if I take a photo of a Ford car, or a scene in which there is one, and you can see the blue oval? Is that illegal, even if it never goes beyond my PC? In theory the same situation as yours above but clearly nonsensical.

HedgehogFromHell

2,072 posts

208 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Simpo Two said:
This is difficult ground. What if I take a photo of a Ford car, or a scene in which there is one, and you can see the blue oval? Is that illegal, even if it never goes beyond my PC? In theory the same situation as yours above but clearly nonsensical.
Well that's me stuffed! I took these two, then got them made up onto canvases that adorn my walls!


IMG_0001 by co1856, on Flickr


DSC06720 by co1856, on Flickr

The reality is, quite frankly, if it's for anything other than your own consumption, then you are breaking copyright law.. If not, it's fine.

tog

4,949 posts

257 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Greg66 said:
Flibble said:
Copyright is no problem - you own the copyright on your own photos.
Trademark is a problem - they have the right to restrict use of their trademarks.

However as others have said, they won't notice this most likely so go for it.
The OP will own copyright in his own photo, but his photo reproduces the Corona label, which is a copyright work, without Cornona's consent. So copyright is indeed a problem.

The OP will only infringe the Corona trademark if the mark is registered for the specific class of goods that covers T-shirts.
No, it is a photo, the copyright of which he owns, of a trademarked item. If he put the logo on a T-shirt and started selling "Corona T-shirts, 2 for a fiver guv" then that would be problem.

Simpo Two

92,704 posts

294 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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HedgehogFromHell said:
Well that's me stuffed! I took these two, then got them made up onto canvases that adorn my walls!
Suggest you hand yourself in at the nearest cop shop on Monday morning!



If, whilst serving your sentence, you receive a cake with a PH logo on it, it will have a file in it...

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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The law is that there is no distinction between copying for personal use (at least, that isn't for research or private study, and then there are conditions) and copying for commercial use. They are both infringements.

The reality is that copyright owners don't bother to pursue personal copying.

Back in the day Amstrad got sued for selling their tape to tape recorders. It was an infringement of copyright for a person to make their own copy of a record or tape they had bought. Amstrad were sued for a specific infringement: authorising another person to infringe. The House of Lords found in favour of Amstrad because the hardware facilitated, rather than authorised copying. The Law Lords noted, IIRC, that it a law (against making a copy of your own purchased record) that was so widely ignored was not a good law. No one argued that it wasn't the law though.

FWIW, IAAL, and I used to work in this field.

Simpo Two

92,704 posts

294 months

Saturday 11th May 2013
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Greg66 said:
FWIW, IAAL, and I used to work in this field.
That was clear from the outset, but it's good you say that whilst something may not be legal, in reality it is allowed/permitted/blind eye turned because (a) it cannot be enforced and/or (b) everybody does it. In the OPs example, Corona's lawyers would have to enter every house in the world, look at every photo on every computer... and that is before they can assemble a case. So it ain't gonna happen. And it's quite clear, to me at least, that selling someone a recording device is not authorisation to break the law. Authorise and facilitate are entirely different! My cooker facilitates my dinner preparation, it does not authorise me.