Oh no ! Scored bores ! not that suprised...

[richardrsc]

Never have I been so thankful for a warrantee!

My 997.1 has recently gone back in for some minor warrantee work (slow cranking when hot) - and I mentioned that the oil usage continued to remain high, and wasn't entirely surprised when I got the dreaded 'scored bores' call (cylinders 4,5,6), from the genuinely wonderful and polite OPC service centre. They really are a pleasure to deal with.

Car is 2006 c4s with 42k on it. Purchased in Jan from OPC with 37K on it. Oil usage has been high since day 1, so I suspect the problem was pre-existing. OPC were notified of it within first month and checked it but said it was OK. (don't think they actually did a boroscopy at the time)

Just after a little advice before I speak to the service department tomorrow, as not sure where I stand with it.

They were suggesting the likely course of action was a rebuild of the engine, but the possibility of a new engine depending on cost of the rebuild.

Now - of course I'd prefer a new engine, would that be a reasonable thing to push for? or should I suck up a rebuild if that's the way things are heading? Or maybe see if they'll do a deal on a 997.2?

It terms of value of the car, how does an engine rebuild or new engine affect it?

Kind of wishing I'd waited for a 997.2 now. What does astonish me though is that they don't do a boroscopy on second hand cars as standard when they prep them - there's such a potential cost to put it right, you'd think they'd check them all and avoid some of the pain on a known issue?

Oh and as a minor aside, I have a merc E class courtesy that it looks like I'll be having for two weeks or so. Would I be absolutely taking the piss if I asked for a Porsche? The merc is very nice and all that but it's a 2 litre diesel and I feel like a fat balding middle aged businessman. Which I am, but that's why I bought a Porsche.

Edited by richardrsc on Sunday 12th May 11:07

[David W.]

Stick with the Merc. The 997 will seem even better when it returns.

[richardrsc]

David W. said:

Stick with the Merc. The 997 will seem even better when it returns.

Yes, it was a small point I guess - I don't want to be an awkward customer!

[milance]

Sorry to hear that

On my car, before my ownership, due to bore scoring, OPC (i think OPC Bolton) replaced the engine under used car warranty (at 56k miles). It is a 2005 C2S. It is definitely possible, but I guess it is a discretion of an OPC. In my case, it did not have influence on the price (bought from a reputable dealer around London), and I am happy the engine has done 25k only as opposed to 80...

Good luck

[Magic919]

Should have pushed for a better Mecr. Got a 3 litre. If you speak to the OPC they will try to get you a Porsche, but expect there might be a delay.

Not a great chance of a new engine for a Gen 1 now. I expect the figures will favour a rebuild. Some of the recent ones I saw on here were rebuilt.

Anyone that knows the cars well will understand why the engine needed work. It'll put off the non-enthusiast buyers though.

Good luck getting it sorted.

[Trev450]

richardrsc said:

Car is 2006 c4s with 42k on it. Purchased in Jan from OPC with 37K on it. Oil usage has been high since day 1, so I suspect the problem was pre-existing. OPC were notified of it within first month and checked it but said it was OK. (don't think they actually did a boroscopy at the time)

Edited by richardrsc on Sunday 12th May 11:07

The cynic in me thinks that the OPC probably knew this but were holding back so as to claim under warranty and not have to foot the cost themselves.

Hope you get a satisfactory outcome whichever course of action you decide to take.

[DeeKay17]

Wouldn't this have been picked up in the 111 point check on the car?

Bit of a conflict of interest methinks that the dealership do the check and put on the warranty so they don't need to fix major faults themselves before sale!

[paul0843]

Trev450 said:

richardrsc said:

Car is 2006 c4s with 42k on it. Purchased in Jan from OPC with 37K on it. Oil usage has been high since day 1, so I suspect the problem was pre-existing. OPC were notified of it within first month and checked it but said it was OK. (don't think they actually did a boroscopy at the time)

Edited by richardrsc on Sunday 12th May 11:07

The cynic in me thinks that the OPC probably knew this but were holding back so as to claim under warranty and not have to foot the cost themselves.

Hope you get a satisfactory outcome whichever course of action you decide to take.

Would probably agree with this..
If its warranty work,cost will be borne by porsche Germany..

[mollytherocker]

Trev450 said:

The cynic in me thinks that the OPC probably knew this but were holding back so as to claim under warranty and not have to foot the cost themselves.

Hope you get a satisfactory outcome whichever course of action you decide to take.

There is no need for an opc to worry about warranty issues like engines. The opc is not financially liable.

111 point 'check', bit of paint and a service and bobs your uncle, get it sold.

Any warranty claims are either a Porsche cost or the third party warranty company.

Remember that there is no need for a boroscope check on these engines as there are no official problems with them.

Edited by mollytherocker on Sunday 12th May 13:50

[tyrrell]

Trev450 said:

The cynic in me thinks that the OPC probably knew this but were holding back so as to claim under warranty and not have to foot the cost themselves.

Hope you get a satisfactory outcome whichever course of action you decide to take.

Nail on the head !!! Why should they pay for it, much better for the Porsche approved scheme to pay for it & not them

[anonymous-user]

A new engine is certainly the better option for you but not for the OPC, who will gain more from a rebuild. As for affecting the value, I can't see any way it wouldn't.

[richardrsc]

anonymous said:

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You would think so - it's obviously not a rare problem. I was at first looking at buying from an independent with an independent inspection, but the independent inspection guy I asked didn't do a boroscope either (apparently it's a liability thing on not 'opening' the engine' - so was a bit put off by that and went with OPC in the knowledge it would at least get sorted if it did happen.

Re the 111 point inspection though - not sure if it had one - as it still had a remaining 9 months to run from the previous owners warrantee which after a little haggling I was allowed to keep, and start mine when that expired. I guess this would probably negate the conspiracy theories a bit as it was ext under warrantee then.

[richardrsc]

I guess on the positive side, I get a new toy to play with for a couple of weeks, and I assume I would have been down on a few horses with the scoring, so should feel even faster when I get it back

Thanks for the input guys, I shall try and beg a new engine ! Annoying thing is I bloody knew it would happen after reading all the threads on here!

Just so pleased I made the decision to go with OPC. Service has been excellent so far.

Edited by richardrsc on Sunday 12th May 16:18

[petop]

I have a new 3.6 Porsche fitted engine in my C4S and i wouldnt think it would affect resale. I suppose, tongue in cheek, its a Porsche consumable item so its a bit like putting new tyres on before sale. If they decide to replace the engine you will get a 2 year engine warranty so if anything provides piece of mind. This will go on past the initial warranty run-out of the car as whole.
As for the Merc, keep it as you may end up with a Panamera as i did the other day!

[richardrsc]

petop said:

I have a new 3.6 Porsche fitted engine in my C4S and i wouldnt think it would affect resale. I suppose, tongue in cheek, its a Porsche consumable item so its a bit like putting new tyres on before sale. If they decide to replace the engine you will get a 2 year engine warranty so if anything provides piece of mind. This will go on past the initial warranty run-out of the car as whole.
As for the Merc, keep it as you may end up with a Panamera as i did the other day!

I would have thought a new engine would improve the resale a little - especially if it was fairly recent. I'm a bit concerned though that a rebuild may have the opposite effect!

[richardrsc]

anonymous said:

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Yes, it didn't fill me full of confidence at all.

[Magic919]

A decent Indy will borescope the car. It's just the mobile inspectors that seem less keen.

[roofrack996]

Mine went in Germany and dropped it at the local OPC (was living out there) on the sun evening and picked it up with a new engine on the thu (was warrantied with porsche exeter). The staff seemed insulted when I was surprised how quickly they had done it!

Might be worth pointing out the potential loss of earnings if (?) you use it for work. The new / porsche rebuilt ones (just because it is a replacement doesnt mean it is actually "new") come with all sorts of mods.

[thegoose]

It's worth pointing out that unless you make a contribution towards the cost of the job then any rebuild or replacement is only covered for the remaining duration of the warranty you already have (same for all warranties) - 9 months in this case?

If you're offered the choice of replacing the clutch for parts only cost (£250?) then do it but try to insist that they bill the job as a whole to you and then allocate the warranty contribution towards this - it should then qualify for the usual 24 warranty on the job.

[tyrrell]

anonymous said:

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Yes amazing how lax they are at the moment!