RE: Porsche 918 Spyder driven: Chris Harris Video
RE: Porsche 918 Spyder driven: Chris Harris Video
Wednesday 15th May 2013

Porsche 918 Spyder driven: Chris Harris Video

The Porsche 918 Spyder driven on camera by Chris Harris - yes, for real!



We'd better deal with the numbers first. Compared with the claims by McLaren for the P1 and Ferrari for the LaFerrari, [Ferrari says 'the LaFerrari' in its press material, before anyone cries linguistic foul! - Ed.] it doesn't make pretty reading for the 918 Spyder.

Which is kind of crazy for a car that has a claimed 887hp from its hybrid powertrain.

Hugely impressive but already outclassed?
Hugely impressive but already outclassed?
Porsche says the Spyder will hit 62mph in 2.8 seconds, 124mph in 7.9 seconds and 186mph in 23 seconds dead. If the LaFerrari didn't exist, those numbers would be spellbinding, but the Italians claim the LF will cover the same zero to 186mph sprint in 15 seconds. Which puts it in another speed territory to any other car sold with number plates, including this, the fastest Porsche street car ever built.

But should a supercar be judged on its numbers alone? I just don't know the answer to that. Like much else about the 918 and the class of cars into which it will tumble later this year, I know very little and am quite confused. But I have now driven the 918, albeit very briefly.

The fully hybrid 918 is quite a different car to its supposed rivals, but not enough to justify Porsche's insistence that it isn't a rival at all. That's cobblers. People in this area of the marketplace will be choosing between all three. And some will indeed take all three.

We went to Leipzig, home of the Cayenne and Panamera, for a brief technical presentation and then a fairly chaotic rugby scrum to get a squirted three laps on the small test track that backs onto the factory. Fair play to Porsche for letting us have a go behind the wheel so early? Or a big sales push to reach those proposed 918 sales? I'll leave you to decide that.

Fabulous steering, even with all the electronics
Fabulous steering, even with all the electronics
The video covers some of the points of technical interest, but we've also got a copy of the presentation slides for you to geek-over.

Pulling away silently in electric mode will be one of the 918's best tricks, and it feels eerily smooth from behind the wheel. But it will need to be a trick that depositors crave because the vast weight of the battery packs and motors create a kerb weight of 1,640kg and only allow 19 miles of electric-only drive, with a maximum of 94mph.

How the car feels is mostly covered in the video (it's a bit rough as you can imagine), but there's much I didn't manage to talk about. Like the steering, which I thought was exceptional and uncorrupted by the torque of the electric motors under full power. And the rear-wheel steering which works imperceptibly but aids a sense of agility completely at odds with the claimed kerb weight.

The hybrid powertrain is very cleverly managed. You don't feel the front axle electric power but the sensation of being dragged from slow turns is impressive. In fact so capable is the car that project leader Frank Walliser insists that a 918 with no batteries (the mythical one I harp on about) would post slower lap times than this car despite weighing significantly less, simply because it wouldn't have the same traction or the clever torque vectoring chassis.

However, the key question remains one of perception. Does being so much slower than its supposed rivals damage the 918's reputation before the contest has begun? It can't help, can it? And much as I admired what the engineers have achieved with the building bricks it was given, the KERS systems on the P1 and LaFerrari does seem to be a better solution - although we need to drive them to make sure. So, to extend the metaphor, was Porsche using the correct set of bricks in the first place?

Faster with hybrid tech than without, it's claimed
Faster with hybrid tech than without, it's claimed
Will being able to cover 19 miles silently compensate the 918 driver for having a machine that is so much slower than the other two? I'm not sure. Do buyers of this type of car do so to publically express their eco-credentials, or do they just want the biggest set of numbers and a driving experience that makes your eyes bleed? They certainly want beauty, and the 918 is very pretty indeed.

Right now, I don't know what to think. Maybe the McLaren and Ferrari will prove too insane for public roads? Maybe the 918 will be more measured and therefore more pleasant? Maybe the whole game is slightly out of control?

Maybe we've never had it this good, this exciting and with this much aggro?

Enjoy the vid.

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Altrezia

Original Poster:

8,742 posts

242 months

Tuesday 14th May 2013
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Big enough steering wheel?

Apart from that... phwar!

80sMatchbox

4,003 posts

207 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Strange time to drop this article online..

I'm not sure on the looks of this, will wait until I see one before making up my mind. Umm, not that I have that much money in my back pocket.

Itsallicanafford

2,962 posts

190 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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...I think in the game of billionaire top trumps, the Porsche is looking abit vulnerable with those stats, massively impressive though they should be...

lee_erm

1,091 posts

224 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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I would love for this to destroy the Mac and Ferrari around the 'ring after all the willy waving!

FisiP1

1,279 posts

184 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Usually enjoy seeing electric tech integrated into cars, agree with Chris somewhat that it doesn't seem to fit with the 'ultimate Porsche' label with this iteration of the tech.

The convenience of being able to commute and make short trips on electric-only power seems attractive in many sectors, but not this one. If you want the performance you still have to burn the petrol so it's all a bit cynical.

We'll obviously have to wait and see, but for me Porsche might just have got it wrong with this, particularly relative to McLaren/Ferrari.

Terminator X

20,959 posts

235 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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lee_erm said:
I would love for this to destroy the Mac and Ferrari around the 'ring after all the willy waving!
Did you miss the performance stats wink

TX.

F.C.

3,901 posts

239 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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1600+ Kilos!!
Far too heavy.

McSam

6,753 posts

206 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Cracking video, all very interesting, and I was impressed with how relaxed the interview was at the end. Nicely done, and despite myself I'm rather keen on this car.

Great that you had Walter Röhrl to do the installation laps, too.. I presume that was him in the 918 as the credits roll at the end? hehe

toppstuff

13,698 posts

278 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Very interesting car. Great video.

I'm impressed with the obvious engineering integrity behind it.

And it sounds pretty good.

But I'm not sure about the styling and the performance may be lacking compared to its rivals.

Ferrari and Mclaren are looking set to steal this cars thunder...

anonymous-user

85 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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The interesting thing about this new wave of competely re-imagined and "next generation" of hypercars, is that for the first time, you don't actually need to drive them flat out on a track to access a lot of their performance envelope. In say an Enzo (for example) driving it on the road is really an exercise in frustration, as the massive performance is only accessable at warp speed, and the rest of the time, the track focused performance actually detracts from the driving experience. For the "average" hypercar buyer, who to be honest, but with the best will in the world does generally not possess the same wheel skillz as our principle monkey, these new cars will for the first time allow a much broader base of performance. For some time, simply going fast on a track has been pretty easy (loads-a-power+aero+fat tyres) so just to develop another slightly faster hypercar is really not that rewarding.

When the journo's finally get these new cars into the real world i think they will be blown away by the sheer usability of them. Cruise quietly in 'lecy mode through the mean streets of the big smoke, then let rip up the M40 and into north wales in the same car. In all these cars the symbiotic capabilites of the hybrid systems are being realised, whether to sharped downshifts, fill in boost threshold/turbo lag torque dips or dynamically vector torque in near real time to maximise chassis stability and tyre adhesion.

Two questions are however not answerable imo;

One: does a capable car equal a boreing car?
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Two: is a P1 > LaFerrari > 918?

The King is dead, long live the King !

;-)

toppstuff

13,698 posts

278 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Max_Torque said:
The interesting thing about this new wave of competely re-imagined and "next generation" of hypercars, is that for the first time, you don't actually need to drive them flat out on a track to access a lot of their performance envelope.
How is that? I don't understand.

I see these hypercars as test beds for new tech that will find its way into all cars, albeit with much lower levels of performance.

These hypercars are using torque vectoring and hybrid drivetrains to increase grip, increase acceleration through a slug of assisted electric torque and to generally increase performance levels massively. 0-100 in a few seconds is staggering performance.

These cars are probably even more unusable in their performance than the current generation cars.

The acceleration between corners will mean that entry speeds into bends are going to be way higher, and the torque from the electric motors will mean that exit from corners will be rapid too. Throw in electronic driver aids mid-corner, and speeds are going to get very silly indeed unless people have some self discipline.

I would wager that more than a few of these cars will have massive shunts in the real world when they find their way into owners hands. A lack of talent, lack of caution and the laws of physics are going to bring down some harsh realities IMO.


Niffty951

2,401 posts

259 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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It's a mans world when a 900hp (ish) 550hp per tonne car can be called slow.

No complaints though, it shows the perfomance car is still making progress and need for speed hasn't died out.

The 1000hp production sports car is getting slowly closer.

cure

231 posts

176 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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I really hope some crazy millionaire gets the electric stuff thrown out of it in a very professional way. He might just have the must unbelievable driving machine of the 21st century on his hands. I know I would be looking in to that if I had the money. Probably impossible with all the re-calibration to do unfortunately. Just imagine that 1100kg do-able.

R.P.M

1,982 posts

252 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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A great video produced around an obviously tricky schedule, well done.

The car sadly reminds me of the 959. Is this cars storey set to emulate that of its older cousin?

One more thing.

Eyes on the road Chris wink




Edited by R.P.M on Wednesday 15th May 01:42

Hellbound

2,515 posts

207 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Given the progress in battery technology, would it not be conceivable that the batteries in this car could be replaced for lighter items somewhere down the line?

Great video. You look healthier now Chris, just stay away from the stodgy food and beer! And your expertise warrants the wearing of a smart looking polo shirt now, ditch the tees.

CliveM

540 posts

216 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Hellbound said:
Given the progress in battery technology, would it not be conceivable that the batteries in this car could be replaced for lighter items somewhere down the line?

Great video. You look healthier now Chris, just stay away from the stodgy food and beer! And your expertise warrants the wearing of a smart looking polo shirt now, ditch the tees.
Fair point on the batteries, although selling the car on the hope that it'll be better somewhere down the line is not exactly what Porsche were aiming for I suspect.

As an aside = This is PH, not Men's Health. Maybe save the sartorial advice for another time eh?

Edited by CliveM on Wednesday 15th May 02:59

mpfourfour

4 posts

162 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Let us not forget that Porsche have a history of severely underquoting performance figures, and as Monkey well knows, Ferrari tends to do the exact opposite. Even so, I suppose that it still won't bridge the massive 0-186mph gap. As a devoted Stuttgart fan, I can't help but think that Porsche have dropped the ball slightly on this one. Even though the performance numbers are truly biblical, the P1 and LaFerrari (worst name ever?) have it beat, though the LaFerrari is truly an eyesore. It will be interesting to see track performance and the like, but as I've always maintained, there is no substitute for lightness!

caraddict

1,092 posts

175 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Loved the video. Respect to CH for daring to ask questions (like if they're gonna sell out). The Porsche guy didn't seem too confident about sales numbers.

Can't wait for Evo's LF vs P1 vs Huayra vs 918 Spyder article some months down the line smile

Just not getting turned on by these hyper beasts... Still want that Carrera GT and Zonda F. smile

FestivAli

1,185 posts

269 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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First of all, I think it is pretty enough that people in the market will overlook the relative lack of performance it has to the La Ferrari and the Mclaren. Just my opinion, but I think the La Ferrari looks vile, and the sides of the P1 means that it looks better wearing camouflage (I like the front and back though). Secondly, I have no objection to hybrids in this application, and think that given many people who have the money live close to where they work anyway, 20 miles or so for tooling about only on electric is fine, and then on weekends or whatever they can blast away on petrol up in the hills.

I only have two requests. One, if honda can put a proper manual in the CRZ is it possible to do the same here? Two, if so, can I please have the money to buy one. My pick of the three, just as I would have an XJ220 over an F1.


matpilch

246 posts

171 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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dare I say, it looks better than the other two. not in this livery tho