Age limit for air guns?
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edc

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9,491 posts

274 months

Monday 4th October 2004
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What is the law regarding sale of air/bb guns? Are there any restrictions? Can I, or not, sell though local classifieds or ebay or such like?

philthy

4,697 posts

263 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Hi EDC,
I stand to be corrected on this, but not by much I don't think.
From memory,
You must be 17 to buy an airgun.
You may own an air weapon at the age of 14, but it must have been purchased by someone who is at least 17.
You may shoot your airgun, unsupervised, on land that you have permission to shoot on from 14 years of age.
You may only fire an airgun under 14 years of age if you are supervised by somebody who is at least 21.
An air pistol must have a maximum muzzle energy of 6ft/lbs.
An air rifle must have a maximum muzzle energy of 12 ft/lbs.

If you sell the pistol/rifle, it's up to you to make SURE the person buying it is old enough.

Ebay prohibit the sale of weapons/dangerous toys, so you can't sell it there.

Do NOT be tempted to "tune" any air rifle/pistol without access to a chronograph to measure the final kinetic energy. Even being a tiny amount over these limits makes it a firearm. The penalties for having an unlicensed firearm are very severe.
If you use an airgun to commit any criminal offence, it is automatically treated as a firearm. This can carry a life sentence !!!
Don't ever be tempted to threaten anybody with one, apparently the 9mm rounds the police will shoot you with really sting

If you want to sell one, I would suggest the classifieds in something like "airgunner", or "airgun world".

Hope this helps
Phil

edc

Original Poster:

9,491 posts

274 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Thanks for the top advice, better to err on the side of caution.

volvod5_dude

352 posts

268 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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If you want to by/sell guns try guntrader.co.uk. I was impressed with this site, I sold my Beretta 12g in under a week for the asking price.

Nightmare

5,278 posts

307 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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ooh - Id quite like a decent air rifle....

zumbruk

7,848 posts

283 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Nightmare said:
ooh - Id quite like a decent air rifle....


Probably a good idea to get one while you still can. I've been increasingly seeing the use of the word "powerful" relating to air guns, which usually precedes some kind of petty, useless, spiteful confiscation campaign.

(See also; Dunblane Snowdrop Campaign.)

Plotloss

67,280 posts

293 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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For decent air rifle, see crap air rifle with loads of washers in the right place.

They can change the law all they like...

Wacky Racer

40,662 posts

270 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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I am an airgun dealer......

It would be very unwise to sell an airgun either on ebay OR in the classifieds, in fact you will probably find that MOST newspapers will not accept the advert in the first place...

If you decide to sell privately, ENSURE the buyer is over 17 years of age, ( don't just accept their word for it), otherwise you will be committing an offence....

No licence is needed in the UK, (except Northern Ireland) to purchase an air weapon providing the gun does not exceed 12 ft lb.

Streetcop

5,907 posts

261 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Wise words Wacky Racer...

Street

Plotloss

67,280 posts

293 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Wacky are Weirauch (sp?) still the leaders in Air Guns?

Wacky Racer

40,662 posts

270 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Plotloss said:
Wacky are Weirauch (sp?) still the leaders in Air Guns?


Weirauch, Feinwerkbau, Original....German.

Gamo....Spanish...

BSA, Webley, Air Arms, Logun, English.....

Weirauch guns are superb quality (imo) the only drawback is they tend to be a bit on the heavy side, but this is only because they are very well engineered...

Main models, HW80... break barrel

HW57,HW77 and HW97 ... under lever



HTH....

bluementhol

111 posts

267 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Air pistols are different 14 year olds are NOT allowed to own them. You must be 17. Even carrying one cased in a public place with a genuine reason while under 17 is an offence.

I know this because I used to shoot pistols as a youngster. The club I was in made my Mother bring the gun into the premises for that reason.






Or that could be bishop and they just fancied her or something.

bluementhol

111 posts

267 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Also you're not allowed to discharge an air weapon within so many feet of a highway (sorry cant remember the distance 50' maybe). If you take an air weapon onto someone elses property without permission it's armed trespass.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Wacky Racer said:
It would be very unwise to sell an airgun either on ebay OR in the classifieds,


ebay won't allow the sale of airguns, so people have been selling the boxes and giving the guns away free.

ebay is now putting a halt to that.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Law is being reviewed now.

Following on from the last giant cock up, perpetrated by Blunkett at the beginning of the year.

Air cartridge pistols...a great British design and engineering achievement...are now "prohibited weapons", possession carrying a minimum jail term of five years.

Senior police management forced the move because criminals had been converting the guns to fire live rounds. Easier to ban than tackle the problem head on and eliminate it.

But Blunkett didn't want to pay compensation for confiscated guns, so he allowed existing owners to retain them....provided the owners obtained a firearms certificate. So now we have firearms certificates granting the right to own prohibited weapons.

Good, eh?

There's more.

After the deadline to get a firearms cert, there remain hundreds of thousands of the weapons unaccounted for. There's a goodly group of peeps out there in line for 5 years in the slammer, and few of them are aware of their predicament.

There's more.

The crims who used to convert them to crude .22 live guns are now thinking "oh bugger, might as well get a real 9mm......"

That is, after they've converted those hundreds of thousands of illegal air cartridge guns that will be dumped by anxious owners when they wake up to the fact that they shouldn't now have them in the attic.

Cunning plan that, Mr Blunkett....well done.

Wacky Racer

40,662 posts

270 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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mybrainhurts said:
Law is being reviewed now.


Air cartridge pistols...a great British design and engineering achievement...are now "prohibited weapons", possession carrying a minimum jail term of five years.





This new law just refers to the "Brocock" air cartridge gun system....

Standard CO2 pistols, such as Walther Berettas, CP88's, CP99's, Colts etc, are exempt from the new legislation, as they cannot easily be converted to become a live firearm......

>> Edited by Wacky Racer on Tuesday 5th October 22:49

Balmoral Green

42,558 posts

271 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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mybrainhurts said:

Air cartridge pistols...a great British design and engineering achievement...are now "prohibited weapons", possession carrying a minimum jail term of five years.


Er...we have one of these kicking about the house, it takes a little C02 canister and loads up with about a dozen BB's...or is this different? Ours is a Russian thing and is a real heavyweight, looks and feels just like a real gun. Do I need to get rid?

Wacky Racer

40,662 posts

270 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Balmoral Green said:

mybrainhurts said:

Air cartridge pistols...a great British design and engineering achievement...are now "prohibited weapons", possession carrying a minimum jail term of five years.



Er...we have one of these kicking about the house, it takes a little C02 canister and loads up with about a dozen BB's...or is this different? Ours is a Russian thing and is a real heavyweight, looks and feels just like a real gun. Do I need to get rid?



No, It is probably an "Anics" make, if it is Russian....

You will still be OK...

Don't worry....

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Wacky Racer said:


This new law just refers to the "Brocock" air cartridge gun system, of which it was estimated there were around 4,000 in circulation.....



4000? Get away.....!

Hundreds of thousands sold, a few thousand applied for FAC's

According to one of the associations....

Wacky Racer

40,662 posts

270 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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mybrainhurts said:

Wacky Racer said:


This new law just refers to the "Brocock" air cartridge gun system, of which it was estimated there were around 4,000 in circulation.....




4000? Get away.....!

Hundreds of thousands sold, a few thousand applied for FAC's





Sorry, what I meant to say was, at the last count, (according to the trade mags) in the UK, just over 4000, people had applied for FAC licences for guns with the Brocock system, but worldwide you are correct, the numbers would be in the hundreds of thousands......