E61 M5 to Maserati Granturismo?
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jonlcerb said:
Thinking of trying a Maserati Granturismo any thoughts from anyone who might have owned one?
Always been on my list, however....I just fit, barely... 6'4"
It is a lot slower than the V10
It makes the E61 look ultra reliable
Not a very shap drive in comparison, even when you factor in the E61 is a big and heavy beast
40k bid/offer to change into a good GranTurismo S as the normal one is slower even than my 928 GTS manual....
Oh, go on... Looks stunning and sounds good, and it is a car that has a soul. You owe it to ourself to try it at least....
I had a GT-S a couple of years ago and hated every minute of it. OK, thats an exaggeration, it was great the day I got it!
Compared to pretty much every decent car I've had, it went wrong more, it was monumentally uncomfortable with the worst seats I've ever experienced, the body control was average at best, the gearchnage was about as good as the SMG in my previous M6 (so not brilliant then) and it wasn't actually that directionally stable at very high speed (and I mean proper continental-only type of speed)
I came out of a 997 Turbo (and previous to that an M6) so it quickly felt very underwhelming in terms of performance (obviously you don't notice this in the honeymoon period). Coming out of an M5, you will likely miss the power. I was that desperate to get out of it after 3-4 months that I woke up one day, went to my local BMW dealer and bought thir demon M3 as quickly as I could. That was a better car in almost every technical/measurable way you could imagine.
On the plus side and to add some balance, it looks nice (albeit a bit narrow in track, as if the body is too big for the chassis), sounds nice and was impressively refined. I fully understand why you'd want one....I did!
Compared to pretty much every decent car I've had, it went wrong more, it was monumentally uncomfortable with the worst seats I've ever experienced, the body control was average at best, the gearchnage was about as good as the SMG in my previous M6 (so not brilliant then) and it wasn't actually that directionally stable at very high speed (and I mean proper continental-only type of speed)
I came out of a 997 Turbo (and previous to that an M6) so it quickly felt very underwhelming in terms of performance (obviously you don't notice this in the honeymoon period). Coming out of an M5, you will likely miss the power. I was that desperate to get out of it after 3-4 months that I woke up one day, went to my local BMW dealer and bought thir demon M3 as quickly as I could. That was a better car in almost every technical/measurable way you could imagine.
On the plus side and to add some balance, it looks nice (albeit a bit narrow in track, as if the body is too big for the chassis), sounds nice and was impressively refined. I fully understand why you'd want one....I did!
GranTurismo will be next for me so interested in this. I'm 3.5 years into an E92 M3 ownership and intend to keep for another 2.5 years as its the best car for me right now with a new born loads of room in boot for pram etc.
But the GranTurismo is definetely next and I've already started researching them, will be 4.7 S. for me otherwise I think I would be disappointed in the 4.2 coming from the M3
I'm getting gemmed up on the various options, skyhook etc.
But the GranTurismo is definetely next and I've already started researching them, will be 4.7 S. for me otherwise I think I would be disappointed in the 4.2 coming from the M3
I'm getting gemmed up on the various options, skyhook etc.
I ran a Maserati GT S for two years, I had previously been running a 997T for three years, so I knew it would be a very different experience.....
I am 6'6' and getting comfortable in certain cars is a problem, the GT S had plenty of room and for short journeys the children could sit behind me.
The looks and sound of the Maserati are the real strong points, the car got lots of attention, all positive. The issue for me was the car felt quite dated, the media system was quite poor and the gearbox compared to modern DCT boxes could be quite un-smooth, but the real issue for me was I thought the car was lacking a bit of power.
I had no reliability issues with the car, the only non-planned problem was a faulty valve on the exhaust.
I changed the GT S for a New F10 M5 in December, apart for the sound of the engine and the low key looks of the M5 IMHO it beast the Maserati in all other areas.......
I am 6'6' and getting comfortable in certain cars is a problem, the GT S had plenty of room and for short journeys the children could sit behind me.
The looks and sound of the Maserati are the real strong points, the car got lots of attention, all positive. The issue for me was the car felt quite dated, the media system was quite poor and the gearbox compared to modern DCT boxes could be quite un-smooth, but the real issue for me was I thought the car was lacking a bit of power.
I had no reliability issues with the car, the only non-planned problem was a faulty valve on the exhaust.
I changed the GT S for a New F10 M5 in December, apart for the sound of the engine and the low key looks of the M5 IMHO it beast the Maserati in all other areas.......
I too had he 4.7 S and found it underwhelming. You have to consider that it's only a touch more powerful than a current M3 yet weighs similar to a current 560bhp M5.
w5pwr's post reminded me of other things like the telematics....God, that use to infuriate me! The nav is poor if you're used to anything from the German marques, my phone would often not pair (and I'd only realise when it rang and didn't come through to the car...yet other times it would pair fine), the tracker would regularly give false signals (although I guess thats Maserati's fault, but I never had problems with a tracker in any other car...go figure!) and finally, the Bose stereo was appalling (yes, even for a Bose stereo!).
To those considering coming out of a modern BMW M car to one of these, consider your options carefully. You often don't realise what you've got until you don't have it and in many respects, this car is like going back 10 years. As I said before, I went directly out of mine into a new M3 and the BMW was vastly superior in every way, save for brand image (I won't say for looks as thats entirely subjective). Heck, I even preferred the sound of the BMW!
w5pwr's post reminded me of other things like the telematics....God, that use to infuriate me! The nav is poor if you're used to anything from the German marques, my phone would often not pair (and I'd only realise when it rang and didn't come through to the car...yet other times it would pair fine), the tracker would regularly give false signals (although I guess thats Maserati's fault, but I never had problems with a tracker in any other car...go figure!) and finally, the Bose stereo was appalling (yes, even for a Bose stereo!).
To those considering coming out of a modern BMW M car to one of these, consider your options carefully. You often don't realise what you've got until you don't have it and in many respects, this car is like going back 10 years. As I said before, I went directly out of mine into a new M3 and the BMW was vastly superior in every way, save for brand image (I won't say for looks as thats entirely subjective). Heck, I even preferred the sound of the BMW!
Interesting to hear those views, I kinda expected the GT to not be as refined and a good all rounder as a modern M car, would you not however put it down to an Italian kind of experience, seriously? As in the car delivers in some areas over a perfectly engineered M?
Not the best comparison but a good friend of mine has a Ferrari 355 which I've used lots of times, it's crap inside and stereo is non existent, it's sounds crap on start like the engines about to fall to bits, but it does have that Italian feel about it which is endearing to the car
I've never even been in a GT yet but it's most definetely top of my next car list. They just look soo damn good
Not the best comparison but a good friend of mine has a Ferrari 355 which I've used lots of times, it's crap inside and stereo is non existent, it's sounds crap on start like the engines about to fall to bits, but it does have that Italian feel about it which is endearing to the car
I've never even been in a GT yet but it's most definetely top of my next car list. They just look soo damn good
E61 M5 feels a lot more nimble, quicker and fun to drive than the Maserati GTS
I was a bit shocked by how bad GTS is as a sports car (or maybe it isn't meant to be
)
It felt so heavy, disconnected.
Plus, like others mentioned, E60/61 M5s may not be the most realiable cars on the planet (in fact one of the top 10 worst in US) but it's bulletproof compare to Maserati GTS.
Especially the electronics on GTS, they will drive you mad..
and.. a lot of people say the V8 sounds incredible, which it does, however if you tweak your exhausts on E61 M5, trust me the V10 is as exotic if not more than the Maserati(F430) V8.
Get M5/M6
DSC OFF + S6 + 500SPORT+ + EDC 2 = It will blow you away..
I was a bit shocked by how bad GTS is as a sports car (or maybe it isn't meant to be
)It felt so heavy, disconnected.
Plus, like others mentioned, E60/61 M5s may not be the most realiable cars on the planet (in fact one of the top 10 worst in US) but it's bulletproof compare to Maserati GTS.
Especially the electronics on GTS, they will drive you mad..
and.. a lot of people say the V8 sounds incredible, which it does, however if you tweak your exhausts on E61 M5, trust me the V10 is as exotic if not more than the Maserati(F430) V8.
Get M5/M6
DSC OFF + S6 + 500SPORT+ + EDC 2 = It will blow you away..
ryandoc said:
Interesting to hear those views, I kinda expected the GT to not be as refined and a good all rounder as a modern M car, would you not however put it down to an Italian kind of experience, seriously? As in the car delivers in some areas over a perfectly engineered M?
Not the best comparison but a good friend of mine has a Ferrari 355 which I've used lots of times, it's crap inside and stereo is non existent, it's sounds crap on start like the engines about to fall to bits, but it does have that Italian feel about it which is endearing to the car
I've never even been in a GT yet but it's most definetely top of my next car list. They just look soo damn good
Yes, it is exactly this as you describe. An Italian exotic. And yes, it is endearing in a certain way and up to a point, and if you have little or no experience of a properly engineered car, then you would be delighted with it because, in isolation, it's probably very good. As an Itailain car, it's actually excellent if thats any compliment to it!Not the best comparison but a good friend of mine has a Ferrari 355 which I've used lots of times, it's crap inside and stereo is non existent, it's sounds crap on start like the engines about to fall to bits, but it does have that Italian feel about it which is endearing to the car
I've never even been in a GT yet but it's most definetely top of my next car list. They just look soo damn good
But, when you're used to things just working (and need them to because the car is your daily driver and used for work), when you expect the car to give you some satisfaction and feeling of competence on a bumpy back road, when you want to take it to Europe and feel comfortable doing 150mph.....it just doesn't compare. Again, in isolation it would probably be just fine and if not used a daily driver, it may be acceptable as you don't have to live with the annoyances every day. But then again it's not the kind of car to keep just for weekends is it? I mean, for that purpose you'd have something even more special wouldn't you?
Like I've said before, I can truly understand why someone would be drawn to one....I was, and that was despite having a 997.2 Turbo at the time (probably one of the most capable cars you can buy). And at first, the Maserati felt fine but that waned very quickly once I started really living with it on a daily basis.
I also see a lot mentioned about the sound it makes and yes, I was endeared to this at first too. But after a while I honestly found it too much (and this comes from someone who's just sold an SLS, but that did sound good!!). I found it to be quite a farty 'fake' sound like a small with a massive exhaust and I just didn't like it. Many love it and even claim it's one of the best sounding cars in the world. Maybe the annoyances with the rest of the car just tarnished my view of even the good things (and in any case, who am I to comment on 'fake' sound...I've just bought a new M6
).I am glad I asked the question, but at the same time almost wish I hadn't! I'm not even sure if it is worth going for a test drive anymore. I think I need to have another go in an F10 M5. Last time I just felt it lacked the character of my E61 M5. The main problems be lack of exhaust note and poor steering feel. If the electrics are that bad in the Maserati, especially the bluetooth, it would drive me mad.
I am really struggling with what to get next! Don't like Audis or Mercs. Disappointed with latest BMWs. Panamera Turbo too expensive and too ugly. 991 C2S no legroom behind me at 6'2".
Just going to keep what I've got for now I guess.
I am really struggling with what to get next! Don't like Audis or Mercs. Disappointed with latest BMWs. Panamera Turbo too expensive and too ugly. 991 C2S no legroom behind me at 6'2".
Just going to keep what I've got for now I guess.
manand38 said:
Drove the GTS on a Maser approved track day. Nice car, but the driving instructor warned me that the E60 M5 was a better car on track!
some cars look fast, but are actually slow in real life, while others are the opposite... will never forget how a 612 Scag was hustled around the Ring, 4 up, on a corporate joly sponsored by Vertu... it was indecently quicker than its design brief/mkt niche (a large GT) suggested... My neighbour had a brand new Maserati Gran Turismo S Coupe.
I think has a sports exhaust and was in grey.
Looks like a very big car but sounds absolutely delicious really does!!!!
I think is based on quatteoporte chassis. He sold after 2 years no idea why .... Maybe running costs, depreciation ?
But I would have never known how good it sounds unless he had one.
However, I would prefer my M3 CS Coupe over the Gran Turismo but the Maserati has the BMW hands down in sound (and badge possibly over an BMW M). But I have never driven the Maser so cannot comment on that.
I think I remember reading Autocar said the Maser had an "average" chassis but does sound and look really fantastic especially sound.
I think has a sports exhaust and was in grey.
Looks like a very big car but sounds absolutely delicious really does!!!!
I think is based on quatteoporte chassis. He sold after 2 years no idea why .... Maybe running costs, depreciation ?
But I would have never known how good it sounds unless he had one.
However, I would prefer my M3 CS Coupe over the Gran Turismo but the Maserati has the BMW hands down in sound (and badge possibly over an BMW M). But I have never driven the Maser so cannot comment on that.
I think I remember reading Autocar said the Maser had an "average" chassis but does sound and look really fantastic especially sound.
jonlcerb said:
I am glad I asked the question, but at the same time almost wish I hadn't! I'm not even sure if it is worth going for a test drive anymore. I think I need to have another go in an F10 M5. Last time I just felt it lacked the character of my E61 M5. The main problems be lack of exhaust note and poor steering feel. If the electrics are that bad in the Maserati, especially the bluetooth, it would drive me mad.
I am really struggling with what to get next! Don't like Audis or Mercs. Disappointed with latest BMWs. Panamera Turbo too expensive and too ugly. 991 C2S no legroom behind me at 6'2".
Just going to keep what I've got for now I guess.
Why replace it Jon? I just went out in the M5 and it feels so good. Nice bit of oversteer in MDM mode and a smile was brought to my face. I am doing the silencer delete next week to give me some more smiles and I cannot think of anything to replace the M5 with. I like the Quattroporte but they will feel pretty dull in comparison imo!I am really struggling with what to get next! Don't like Audis or Mercs. Disappointed with latest BMWs. Panamera Turbo too expensive and too ugly. 991 C2S no legroom behind me at 6'2".
Just going to keep what I've got for now I guess.
Wife hates it, and just fancying a change. Won't bother unless something really excites me. Still love it, and I am not impressed with anything enough yet. Also it is good fun looking and debating what next. I generally grow too attached to cars and hate selling them so it is never an easy decision. Another big part of the appeal of the E61, for me, is the rarity, which was part of the appeal of the Maserati. I have been talked out of it now though, including by the seller.
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