Can you drive....
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your unregisterd car to other than IVA and back... I thought I would share this with you...
This has been a sticky question for me as I want to check everything is OK before barrelling back up to Notts for IVA retest...
The answers on SP&L are numerous and conflicting, and DVLA are about as useless as a choc tea-pot and give no direction at all...
...so I rang West Mercia Police!
Oh Dear! Big mistake!
First lady said, Oh yes! - then when I explained further..."Umm, I will check with my Sargent"
A lot of whispering later... she said Sarg says no!
"Why" I asked? ... "I am sure you know you can drive to IVA and back directly provided you have pre-booked and have valid insurance?"
She said - Sarg said NO! ..you have to low-load it! At that point I realised I was talking to a Numpty who couldn't give a rats.....!"
So I rang Gloucestershire Police and....was totally open about the IVA fail, and what I was trying to do, ie get it tested first locally...
Well - What a difference!
...and they got their Road Traffic division to ring back... which they did 15 mins later!
A very nice man PC (or PS) not sure... was chatty, and had a laugh when saying..."Well, if you drive it up the Motorway you would never get stopped... cos there ARE no motorway patrols these days!
... His Name was Phil Collins I kid you not.....
He went on to explained to me that the VE Act 1994 under section 42, subsection 42.4-42.6 provides a valid defence for driving an unregistered vehicle directly to and from pre-booked appointments ... for the purposes of registration.. or words to that effect...
...and therefore I would be covered under that section!
..and here it is!
42 Not fixing registration mark.
(1)If a registration mark is not fixed on a vehicle as required by virtue of section 23, the relevant person is guilty of an offence.
(2)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
(3)In subsection (1) “the relevant person” means the person driving the vehicle or, where it is not being driven, the person keeping it.
(4)It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that—
(a)he had no reasonable opportunity to register the vehicle under this Act, and
(b)the vehicle was being driven for the purpose of being so registered.
(5)It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) in relation to a vehicle—
(a)to which section 47 of the M1Road Traffic Act 1988 applies by virtue of subsection (2)(b) of that section, or
(b)to which [F1Article 63 of the Road Traffic (Northern Ireland) Order 1995] applies by virtue of paragraph (2)(b) of that Article,(vehicles manufactured before the prescribed period and used before registration) to prove that he had no reasonable opportunity to register the vehicle under this Act and that the vehicle was being driven in accordance with subsection (6).
(6)A vehicle is being driven in accordance with this subsection if—
(a)it is being driven for the purposes of, or in connection with, its examination under section 45 of the M2Road Traffic Act 1988 in circumstances in which its use is exempted from subsection (1) of section 47 of that Act by regulations under subsection (6) of that section, or
[F2(b)it is being driven for the purposes of, or in connection with, its examination under Article 61 of the M3Road Traffic (Northern Ireland) Order 1995 in circumstances in which its use is exempted from paragraph (1) of Article 63 of that Order by regulations under paragraph (6) of that Article.]
Perhaps what I should have asked was if that covered any repair or just an MOT?
So as far as the appt is concerned, I have booked an MOT (to be sure)... and I have the BIB name and number if things get sticky!
Brilliant!
This has been a sticky question for me as I want to check everything is OK before barrelling back up to Notts for IVA retest...
The answers on SP&L are numerous and conflicting, and DVLA are about as useless as a choc tea-pot and give no direction at all...
...so I rang West Mercia Police!
Oh Dear! Big mistake!
First lady said, Oh yes! - then when I explained further..."Umm, I will check with my Sargent"
A lot of whispering later... she said Sarg says no!
"Why" I asked? ... "I am sure you know you can drive to IVA and back directly provided you have pre-booked and have valid insurance?"
She said - Sarg said NO! ..you have to low-load it! At that point I realised I was talking to a Numpty who couldn't give a rats.....!"
So I rang Gloucestershire Police and....was totally open about the IVA fail, and what I was trying to do, ie get it tested first locally...
Well - What a difference!
...and they got their Road Traffic division to ring back... which they did 15 mins later!
A very nice man PC (or PS) not sure... was chatty, and had a laugh when saying..."Well, if you drive it up the Motorway you would never get stopped... cos there ARE no motorway patrols these days!
... His Name was Phil Collins I kid you not.....
He went on to explained to me that the VE Act 1994 under section 42, subsection 42.4-42.6 provides a valid defence for driving an unregistered vehicle directly to and from pre-booked appointments ... for the purposes of registration.. or words to that effect...
...and therefore I would be covered under that section!
..and here it is!
42 Not fixing registration mark.
(1)If a registration mark is not fixed on a vehicle as required by virtue of section 23, the relevant person is guilty of an offence.
(2)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
(3)In subsection (1) “the relevant person” means the person driving the vehicle or, where it is not being driven, the person keeping it.
(4)It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that—
(a)he had no reasonable opportunity to register the vehicle under this Act, and
(b)the vehicle was being driven for the purpose of being so registered.
(5)It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) in relation to a vehicle—
(a)to which section 47 of the M1Road Traffic Act 1988 applies by virtue of subsection (2)(b) of that section, or
(b)to which [F1Article 63 of the Road Traffic (Northern Ireland) Order 1995] applies by virtue of paragraph (2)(b) of that Article,(vehicles manufactured before the prescribed period and used before registration) to prove that he had no reasonable opportunity to register the vehicle under this Act and that the vehicle was being driven in accordance with subsection (6).
(6)A vehicle is being driven in accordance with this subsection if—
(a)it is being driven for the purposes of, or in connection with, its examination under section 45 of the M2Road Traffic Act 1988 in circumstances in which its use is exempted from subsection (1) of section 47 of that Act by regulations under subsection (6) of that section, or
[F2(b)it is being driven for the purposes of, or in connection with, its examination under Article 61 of the M3Road Traffic (Northern Ireland) Order 1995 in circumstances in which its use is exempted from paragraph (1) of Article 63 of that Order by regulations under paragraph (6) of that Article.]
Perhaps what I should have asked was if that covered any repair or just an MOT?
So as far as the appt is concerned, I have booked an MOT (to be sure)... and I have the BIB name and number if things get sticky!
Brilliant!
Edited by 3Dee on Monday 20th May 17:04
I'll make a note of it ready for next mth!3Dee said:
Driving it up there would open a whole new can of worms, something I would not like to do, since it has never had a shakedown, which is not really possible given the lck of an off-road test site, and regs being what they are!
So you ARE going to drive it 165 miles to the IVA test.... Having spent , what, £65,000 ? £70,000 ? on the car, you don't want to do the sensible thing and just pay a couple of hundred quid for it to be transported there....?Different strokes for different folks, I guess... you certainly like to give yourself stress.
Good Luck..
Regards
Each to their own, I guess. After double, triple and quadruple checking and torquing everything, I'm pretty confident my car isn't going to fall apart. I'll drive it gently of course, but if I trailered it to IVA, I'd feel I wasn't trusting my work and missing out on what should be the most satisfying drive of the car, after a long build.
Methinks you guys are misunderstanding me...
I AM OLD! And I don't perhaps take as many chances as I used to!
..so I certainly will NOT be driving back to Notts! That would be a £330 trailer-job (AGAIN! -if I can afford it!).
The whole purpose of my research, as Marky phrased it, was to try to get a definitive answer where none existed that I could find, namely can you legally drive your car to and from appts for the purpose, or in pursuit, of registering your car (with certain caveats). And I am pleased to find someone who appears to know what they were taling about, and can back it up with the relevant legislation.
Why? Because many of us are faced with the challenge of trying to fix issues and have them tested which are directly related to IVA testing, and it makes sense since for many of us IVA takes place a good number of miles away, so to be able to drive to and from local MOT stations PRIOR to IVA means that we have another reasonable option for getting our project to and from such appointments without the almost impossible hassle (for some in some areas) of trying to locate a suitable low-loader/ Car transporter, which these days, in particular in my area is pretty impossible due to the car ground-clearance and width, and if you are lucky enough to find someone, they want very stupid money!
In my area there were 5 Transporter options, 2 were not suitable (they have these silly dolly things), 2 had just sold their equipment and stopped doing it a few months ago through lack of business (1 of these I used regularly last year), and one wanted £150 quid for what was a 20 mile round trip (and I didn't like the look of him!)
so now I have a realistic alternative! - NICE!
I AM OLD! And I don't perhaps take as many chances as I used to!
..so I certainly will NOT be driving back to Notts! That would be a £330 trailer-job (AGAIN! -if I can afford it!).
The whole purpose of my research, as Marky phrased it, was to try to get a definitive answer where none existed that I could find, namely can you legally drive your car to and from appts for the purpose, or in pursuit, of registering your car (with certain caveats). And I am pleased to find someone who appears to know what they were taling about, and can back it up with the relevant legislation.
Why? Because many of us are faced with the challenge of trying to fix issues and have them tested which are directly related to IVA testing, and it makes sense since for many of us IVA takes place a good number of miles away, so to be able to drive to and from local MOT stations PRIOR to IVA means that we have another reasonable option for getting our project to and from such appointments without the almost impossible hassle (for some in some areas) of trying to locate a suitable low-loader/ Car transporter, which these days, in particular in my area is pretty impossible due to the car ground-clearance and width, and if you are lucky enough to find someone, they want very stupid money!
In my area there were 5 Transporter options, 2 were not suitable (they have these silly dolly things), 2 had just sold their equipment and stopped doing it a few months ago through lack of business (1 of these I used regularly last year), and one wanted £150 quid for what was a 20 mile round trip (and I didn't like the look of him!)
so now I have a realistic alternative! - NICE!
And so.. I will report back tonight because I am booked into a nice man's garage in Tewkesbury for 2pm.
The challenge for me is the weather (will it rain, even just a bit, no heli-vents so it might steam up, and a tune that shouldn't be on the road...
That mapping was done specifically to try to get the engine lean enough at idle to pass IVA and it is this I want to test. The fun bit will be to keep the revs up in the 2.5-3k range (where it is a bit richer) and avoid stalling during the short 5 mile trip! I will be keeping an eagle-eye on the water and oil temps as well!
This will be helped by the fact that last night I fitted my newly received KENLOWE (cos there is no Pacets any more) 10" high performance fans and they move about twice the amount of air through the rad in comparison - easy fit too! Jeff at Kenlowe spent some time with me on the phone last week trying to find something that would get close to the pacet performance and would fit - and it does, and it did! Thanks Jeff!
...We will see if any Plod sees me and wish me well for the night in the cells!
The challenge for me is the weather (will it rain, even just a bit, no heli-vents so it might steam up, and a tune that shouldn't be on the road...
That mapping was done specifically to try to get the engine lean enough at idle to pass IVA and it is this I want to test. The fun bit will be to keep the revs up in the 2.5-3k range (where it is a bit richer) and avoid stalling during the short 5 mile trip! I will be keeping an eagle-eye on the water and oil temps as well!
This will be helped by the fact that last night I fitted my newly received KENLOWE (cos there is no Pacets any more) 10" high performance fans and they move about twice the amount of air through the rad in comparison - easy fit too! Jeff at Kenlowe spent some time with me on the phone last week trying to find something that would get close to the pacet performance and would fit - and it does, and it did! Thanks Jeff!
...We will see if any Plod sees me and wish me well for the night in the cells!
Ultima factory said:
Just to make the readers aware, our factory recommended LS1, LS3 and LS7 engines from American Speed, including the 700bhp version are all guaranteed to pass emissions when fitted with our factory exhaust system and accessories. There is no remapping required for IVA or future MOTs.
Regards to all,
Unfortunately chaps, your LS engine was not even on the cards at the time when I needed to source, otherwise I would have considered it as a seriously option!Regards to all,
Perhaps it would have saved me a lot of time etc.
I have always known you can drive to an IVA test.
The most important thing from this legislation 'Find' is that you can drive to the DVLA office for registration inspection.
I was told by DVLA that this was not allowed. He agreed that it was OK to the IVA test and had no answer to my observation that in that instance the car was completly untested and could therfore be unroadworthy whereas visiting him the car was fully tested.
Steve
The most important thing from this legislation 'Find' is that you can drive to the DVLA office for registration inspection.
I was told by DVLA that this was not allowed. He agreed that it was OK to the IVA test and had no answer to my observation that in that instance the car was completly untested and could therfore be unroadworthy whereas visiting him the car was fully tested.
Steve
3Dee said:
And so.. I will report back tonight because I am booked into a nice man's garage in Tewkesbury for 2pm.
The challenge for me is the weather (will it rain, even just a bit, no heli-vents so it might steam up, and a tune that shouldn't be on the road...
That mapping was done specifically to try to get the engine lean enough at idle to pass IVA and it is this I want to test. The fun bit will be to keep the revs up in the 2.5-3k range (where it is a bit richer) and avoid stalling during the short 5 mile trip! I will be keeping an eagle-eye on the water and oil temps as well!
This will be helped by the fact that last night I fitted my newly received KENLOWE (cos there is no Pacets any more) 10" high performance fans and they move about twice the amount of air through the rad in comparison - easy fit too! Jeff at Kenlowe spent some time with me on the phone last week trying to find something that would get close to the pacet performance and would fit - and it does, and it did! Thanks Jeff!
...We will see if any Plod sees me and wish me well for the night in the cells!
Jeez! Doesn't time fly when you are (not) having fun!The challenge for me is the weather (will it rain, even just a bit, no heli-vents so it might steam up, and a tune that shouldn't be on the road...
That mapping was done specifically to try to get the engine lean enough at idle to pass IVA and it is this I want to test. The fun bit will be to keep the revs up in the 2.5-3k range (where it is a bit richer) and avoid stalling during the short 5 mile trip! I will be keeping an eagle-eye on the water and oil temps as well!
This will be helped by the fact that last night I fitted my newly received KENLOWE (cos there is no Pacets any more) 10" high performance fans and they move about twice the amount of air through the rad in comparison - easy fit too! Jeff at Kenlowe spent some time with me on the phone last week trying to find something that would get close to the pacet performance and would fit - and it does, and it did! Thanks Jeff!
...We will see if any Plod sees me and wish me well for the night in the cells!
Last Tues seems at least a month ago!
It did not go too well. Got to the Garage (that was the fun bit)... and found that their entrance was a nice concrete ramp which I could not get up due to grounding.
nevertheless, they managed to use their long probe to test the emissions outside... and..... it was worse that before!
So, depression no 2 hit me for the journey home, and a call to the Tuner.
The up-side is that apart from being a bit paranoid hearing noises coming from various parts of the car (did anything burn, blow-up, fall-off?), I got home safely and had just a 'mini-squirt' for only 1 second on the throttle on the long straight to my home turning... Woooow! Despite it's state of tune, it performed faultlessly, and although it was a bit difficult to get used to the tight shifter (may need adjusting), and without any heli-vents, and stupidly putting the heater on for a minute or so, I was dripping in sweat by the time I got home, BUT it left me with a smile a mile long!
And so, after the call, this time I insisted that Mr Tuner come and fiddle with the maps when a calibrated Tester was on line, because I can't see how anyone can create the right map for passing emissions unless they did so, unless the engine is pretty std The HP Tuners sware although good and measures with wide-band lambda sensors, surely can't be as accurate without knowing exactly what's coming out the tailpipe? Well that's my theory, so it will be put to the test so-to-speak!
Today has arrived, and my hopes of a dry day have been dashed with fine cool rain and a greasy surface, and the car is going to get it's first shower (darn-it!). Just as well I installed the Heli-vents as it is so- going to be steamy in there!
'Squirting the throttle' even a tiny bit is definitely OUT, on the way up (Boooo!).. just a leisurely and very careful poodle up to my mates MOT garage (pre-booked) with Mr Tuner... and XXXX Fingers, we can finally get this bit of a problem over and done-with!
I will report back (if I haven't hung myself!) this afternoon?
more XXXXXX fingers!
Hope it goes well this time.
I think the problem is that these "tuners" are used to Subaru/Evo/Hot hatch tuning where they have lots of history/experience/others doing the same so plenty of generic maps out there for download and go.
No two Ultimas are the same (especially if not totally Factory standard) and there are very few people in the UK that have experience working on LS engines. The list is probably as short as the number of fingers on one hand.
Paul
I think the problem is that these "tuners" are used to Subaru/Evo/Hot hatch tuning where they have lots of history/experience/others doing the same so plenty of generic maps out there for download and go.
No two Ultimas are the same (especially if not totally Factory standard) and there are very few people in the UK that have experience working on LS engines. The list is probably as short as the number of fingers on one hand.
Paul
Back from the MOT emissions test... took several hrs of head-scratching...
Nothing was logical... leaned out - got richer etc etc...
Ended up with a map that barely works at all. have to encourage the car to start with 1/2 throttle then nurse it down to idle over 30 sec while it hunts, cuts, splutters..eventually idling at 1400rpm consistently... pass
Then fast idle - same behaviour.. hunts, cuts, hunts and eventually settles to 3k revs... pass!
Not a map you can drive at all....
.., booked re-IVA for early next week!
What a silly game!
Nothing was logical... leaned out - got richer etc etc...
Ended up with a map that barely works at all. have to encourage the car to start with 1/2 throttle then nurse it down to idle over 30 sec while it hunts, cuts, splutters..eventually idling at 1400rpm consistently... pass
Then fast idle - same behaviour.. hunts, cuts, hunts and eventually settles to 3k revs... pass!
Not a map you can drive at all....
.., booked re-IVA for early next week!
What a silly game!
Ultima factory said:
Just to make the readers aware, our factory recommended LS1, LS3 and LS7 engines from American Speed, including the 700bhp version are all guaranteed to pass emissions when fitted with our factory exhaust system and accessories. There is no remapping required for IVA or future MOTs.
Regards to all,
Suggestion:-Regards to all,
1) Remove the camshafts and replace them with some supplied by AS
2) Get a copy of the AS map as a suitable starting point.
3) Ensure that your exhaust system is not radically different to the one supplied by the factory, and will not be causing any of your emission problems.
4) THEN, take the car for the IVA - where it will pass
5) Enjoy the car.
I can't see the point of you taking it to IVA repeatedly until you have sorted out the fundamental issue of the cams.
Just my opinions....
Best of luck,
Regards
Remember, you will have to pass the emissions test every year at MOT time.
I really think getting the car professionally set up on a rolling road by someone who knows what they are doing is essential. You will get a car you are happy with and which will run properly to it's maximum potential................and pass emissions.
You have spent a shed load building the car - don't scrimp now.
Paul
BTW. If the chap at the IVA test thinks the car is unable to run properly on the road (3000K tick over!!!) he will probably fail it.
I really think getting the car professionally set up on a rolling road by someone who knows what they are doing is essential. You will get a car you are happy with and which will run properly to it's maximum potential................and pass emissions.
You have spent a shed load building the car - don't scrimp now.
Paul
BTW. If the chap at the IVA test thinks the car is unable to run properly on the road (3000K tick over!!!) he will probably fail it.
Well...
6:30am - start up to Nottingham - 1 minute in the test centre - PASS! ...then robbed of £90 (retest fee) which is around £15/per second = Gad! I wish I could find work like that!
Got all excited like!.....Intended to get registered this afternoon, but stopped in my tracks! The dumkoff on the DVLA end of the phone told me that they had stopped same-day registrations 2 weeks ago! ..so now you have to send your paperwork into DVLA to get lost... and hope that someone replies and sets up an inspection date . time to response 10 days +!.. so you can see where this is going, can't you!
6:30am - start up to Nottingham - 1 minute in the test centre - PASS! ...then robbed of £90 (retest fee) which is around £15/per second = Gad! I wish I could find work like that!
Got all excited like!.....Intended to get registered this afternoon, but stopped in my tracks! The dumkoff on the DVLA end of the phone told me that they had stopped same-day registrations 2 weeks ago! ..so now you have to send your paperwork into DVLA to get lost... and hope that someone replies and sets up an inspection date . time to response 10 days +!.. so you can see where this is going, can't you!
3Dee said:
Well...
6:30am - start up to Nottingham - 1 minute in the test centre - PASS! ...then robbed of £90 (retest fee) which is around £15/per second = Gad! I wish I could find work like that!
Got all excited like!.....Intended to get registered this afternoon, but stopped in my tracks! The dumkoff on the DVLA end of the phone told me that they had stopped same-day registrations 2 weeks ago! ..so now you have to send your paperwork into DVLA to get lost... and hope that someone replies and sets up an inspection date . time to response 10 days +!.. so you can see where this is going, can't you!
I would go and queue in your local office and see what happens.6:30am - start up to Nottingham - 1 minute in the test centre - PASS! ...then robbed of £90 (retest fee) which is around £15/per second = Gad! I wish I could find work like that!
Got all excited like!.....Intended to get registered this afternoon, but stopped in my tracks! The dumkoff on the DVLA end of the phone told me that they had stopped same-day registrations 2 weeks ago! ..so now you have to send your paperwork into DVLA to get lost... and hope that someone replies and sets up an inspection date . time to response 10 days +!.. so you can see where this is going, can't you!
In my experience the DVLA call centre is very poor...if you called them 5 times with a question I doubt 2 answers would be the same.
At least have someone tell you to your face it can't be done.
Steve
Steve_D said:
I would go and queue in your local office and see what happens.
In my experience the DVLA call centre is very poor...if you called them 5 times with a question I doubt 2 answers would be the same.
At least have someone tell you to your face it can't be done.
Steve
You are absolutely right Steve - not one call centre bod knows the rules... indeed they seem to take great delight in making it up as they go and making their advice sound official!In my experience the DVLA call centre is very poor...if you called them 5 times with a question I doubt 2 answers would be the same.
At least have someone tell you to your face it can't be done.
Steve
Take the 2nd person I spoke to: He stated the following - I had to have an MOT even though I had just passed IVA! He told me that my car would be issued with plates that reflected the age of the chassis (2006)i.e. when it was manufactured, even though I took great pains to explain it was a kit car and a new build and had a certificate of newness from the factory! I asked him if I could speak with the manager of his dept, and he said they would ring back... he did 20 mins later but instead, said he had researched the situation with his seniors and he was right in what he said! (YEAH! AS IF!)
So, DVLA area pile of.....
NEXT:
Went to Local office (worcs) - head guy, gave me all the paperwork to fill in, then told me he would have to inspect the car (EH?) - and he said I would have to transport it there! Well, he has no chance! After two previous days ringing around and googling, I could not find one single transporter or trailer service that had anything big enough, or had the right license (apparently a goods license is needed as it was not a breakdown???). ...and because DVLA are renown for taking many hours past your appt timer even before they get to inspecting (ie when they feel like it..and they haven't got a coffee break coming etc etc) the ONLY quote I got was for £400 + VAT but-it-could-be-more - for a round trip of 40 miles -
In fact about 50% of advertised transporter services in my area have gone out of business!
So the only realistic choice was to drive the thing there, despite being told in no uncertain terms by DVLA that it was illegal!
Then I realised he had given me the wrong paperwork (for a USED vehicle) despite explaining exactly what the car was - at this point I began to think I was inadvertently speaking Japanese! Maybe that was why I was having such trouble!
Not one for giving up, I rang 101 and asked to speak with West Mercia Police (my patch) Road Traffic Division senior guy (not a PC) hoping to get clarification regarding this driving business.... (as I had Glos Police)
I was well pleased I did - Sergeant said - 'common sense should prevail in this case' and I could drive it to DVLA - and he made sure there was a quotable log on the system just in case!
BUT - I had a map problem so did not want to chance running a lean engine for a 40 mile round trip - so rang that nice man TED at the factory, chewed the cud with him swapping horrific stories about DVLA - and decided to drive in my normal car up to nottingham (Oh- not again!) DVLA since Mr TED said they had not ever asked for an inspection there...
So - I did...and walked into the most crowded reception I have ever encountered! There were bodies everywhere - all clutching folders or bits of paper as if their life depended on it, and all with that 'hunted' look!
Found a seat - Great I thought! ..till I felt a massive earthquake that nearly got me launched into the dirty-grey ceiling!
The biggest lady I had ever seen had dropped herself unceremoniously next to me, smelling strongly as she did of carbolic and moth-balls! - Lovely!
1.5 hrs later...my ticket came up..but then the counter staff said that unlike Worcs DVLA, they don't process their own jobs - the paperwork has to go to Milton Keynes... But that I could go back and reapply at Worcester! Damn these inconsistencies!
Too late.. spent way too much wasted time on this... let them get on with it....now it is a waiting game till mid next week hopefully!
Would I go through this again? What do you think! This red-tape thing rather ruins what should be a great experience! But I will get over it!
Don't want to put anyone else off, just hope my rants and experiences help others to successfully and more knowledgeably negotiate around these stupid humps and legislation!
The only thing I need now is a good Psychiatrist! Anyone know one?
Edited by 3Dee on Wednesday 5th June 09:21
I know its no consolation to yourself Keith, but my experience at Garrets Green in Birmingham was completely the opposite of that, although i SVA'd 4 years ago.
I passed the SVA (test centre now closed) and walked across the road, handed over all my receipts photos and forms after about 45 mins wait at the DVLA office.
Recalled with vehicle for a visual inspection of engine number and chassis number about a week later. I chose to drive down at about 630am despite being illegal (i think) for an 9am appointment. The young lady arrived early for work about 830am and inspected my car immediately as she said it meant the rest of the day wouldn't be so hectic. It took 10 minutes, a few 'ooo its a lovely car' and i believe i walked away with my tax disc.
As I said Keith, no consolation to you but to other builders, 'its not always like that'.
Dave
I passed the SVA (test centre now closed) and walked across the road, handed over all my receipts photos and forms after about 45 mins wait at the DVLA office.
Recalled with vehicle for a visual inspection of engine number and chassis number about a week later. I chose to drive down at about 630am despite being illegal (i think) for an 9am appointment. The young lady arrived early for work about 830am and inspected my car immediately as she said it meant the rest of the day wouldn't be so hectic. It took 10 minutes, a few 'ooo its a lovely car' and i believe i walked away with my tax disc.
As I said Keith, no consolation to you but to other builders, 'its not always like that'.
Dave
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