Prosport LM 3000 v Radical
Discussion
I'm considering buying a LM 3000 has anyone experience of racing them ? and any comparisons with radicals, apart from the obvious ie. weight and a roof
A decent engine and a roof are high on my list I'm not keen on bike engine or super light cars, would a LM 3000 be totally out classed by a radical ?
Any thoughts would be appreciated
A decent engine and a roof are high on my list I'm not keen on bike engine or super light cars, would a LM 3000 be totally out classed by a radical ?
Any thoughts would be appreciated
Heavier always means slower. You could check out results of previous races where the two cars have been up against eachother. This example might help given that several Radicals and Prosports competed and the fastest laps were markedly different. Not sure what's wrong with a bike engine - high power, low weight, utterly reliable, integral sequential 'box and dead cheap to boot.
I used to have one...
depends what radical your looking at, but some are slower, some faster, other issue is that there are LM3000's and LM3000's.
I have seen Mike Millards car wipe the floor with SR8's before, on the other hand, I could just about hold my own with SR3's but that's about it.
Upside to the LM3000 is that they are very robust, and cheap to run, (unlike a radical).
I sold mine only because I ran out of places to race it, and it was collecting dust.
Lastly, if your looking at one, try and find a later one with Hewland FGC box (as opposed to FT200).
depends what radical your looking at, but some are slower, some faster, other issue is that there are LM3000's and LM3000's.
I have seen Mike Millards car wipe the floor with SR8's before, on the other hand, I could just about hold my own with SR3's but that's about it.
Upside to the LM3000 is that they are very robust, and cheap to run, (unlike a radical).
I sold mine only because I ran out of places to race it, and it was collecting dust.
Lastly, if your looking at one, try and find a later one with Hewland FGC box (as opposed to FT200).
I'd go ProSport - and you can always upgrade it as has been said. Bob Light's Stealth B6 was based on a ProSport, though obviously the Chevy V8 needed a different gearbox and a different rear suspension setup, plus the bodywork had a makeover. That was an awesome tool around Castle Combe. I remember the days before the circuit was neutered - Bob & Nigel James doing battle in their Ultimas (also penned by Lee Noble) doing laptimes in the 60 second area. Nigel set a record of 58.4 in his open top version.
Ahh those were the days when CC GT used to get all sorts of exotica like Jag Gp.C cars and similar.....
Ahh those were the days when CC GT used to get all sorts of exotica like Jag Gp.C cars and similar.....
thunderbelmont said:
I'd go ProSport - and you can always upgrade it as has been said. Bob Light's Stealth B6 was based on a ProSport, though obviously the Chevy V8 needed a different gearbox and a different rear suspension setup, plus the bodywork had a makeover. That was an awesome tool around Castle Combe. I remember the days before the circuit was neutered - Bob & Nigel James doing battle in their Ultimas (also penned by Lee Noble) doing laptimes in the 60 second area. Nigel set a record of 58.4 in his open top version.
Ahh those were the days when CC GT used to get all sorts of exotica like Jag Gp.C cars and similar.....
I met bob light last year.He ordered gas from me.It didnt register who he was for a day or so then When I saw pictures on his garage wall I realised.Ahh those were the days when CC GT used to get all sorts of exotica like Jag Gp.C cars and similar.....
Gave up cars ,Does old bikes now, its easier.
pablo said:
I'm pretty sure you enter them in the invitational class of the Group C revival races so personally, its a no-brainer. Sure you are going to get hammered by 956s, XJR-9s and Spices but what the hell!... to be on that grid would be awesome and a unique experience.
used to be, I did the Silverstone classic one year, 2 hour race with all kinds of stuff...amazingly enough, I was far from last!Resurrecting an old thread, but just in case anyone reads it and gets excited (like I did).. Unfortunately the Prosport LM3000 isn't eligible for the Group C invitation class - I received confirmation from Group C Racing this weekend. Shame as it looks a decent and cheap to run car, and was actually entered for Le Mans in 1992 but didn't turn up. I guess values would be a lot higher if it was eligible. There don't seem to be many options for racing LM3000s these days.
You know its about time someone or some club sorted some occasional or regular races for the likes of these Prosports and the huge amount of other interesting and obsolete machinery that doesnt quite fit anywhere else.
I have a group C2 car and other than getting in the way of the big egos and money in Group c there is nothing,
C2 cars
Ex thundersports cars,
Prosport lm3000,
Mosler
Aquila
Lister storm
Vipers
maybe a sprint, hill climbing, Britcar, the odd guest race or just sitting around gathering dust whilst someone ponders what to do with it.
Ive considered putting mine on the road. Others have in Japan and elsewhere.
1980-2000 was a fantastic era for analogue Motorsport.
There must be a lot of great and forgotten stuff out there sitting around. What will happen to LMP2 cars when they are uncompetitive and obsolete. They will end up forgotten whereas LMP1 cars will get their Museum place for a bit.
And its not just the Prototypes there are thunder saloons and ex Touring cars. I know there are a few races cropping up for them now but what about the Prototypes.
I have a group C2 car and other than getting in the way of the big egos and money in Group c there is nothing,
C2 cars
Ex thundersports cars,
Prosport lm3000,
Mosler
Aquila
Lister storm
Vipers
maybe a sprint, hill climbing, Britcar, the odd guest race or just sitting around gathering dust whilst someone ponders what to do with it.
Ive considered putting mine on the road. Others have in Japan and elsewhere.
1980-2000 was a fantastic era for analogue Motorsport.
There must be a lot of great and forgotten stuff out there sitting around. What will happen to LMP2 cars when they are uncompetitive and obsolete. They will end up forgotten whereas LMP1 cars will get their Museum place for a bit.
And its not just the Prototypes there are thunder saloons and ex Touring cars. I know there are a few races cropping up for them now but what about the Prototypes.
It is a very good point. Old GT1/GT2 machinery is also limited in places it can race (granted there aren't a huge amount of those cars around, though there must be a fair few 993/996GT2s kicking about)
for things like the Prosport are they not eligible for Britcar? Or even GT Cup?
Otherwise I do think a sort of Sports Libre catch all series, not a championship, may actually work quite well.
Though don't preclude modern cars. However does the Open Sportscar Series by the BRSCC not fulfil this brief as well?
Simon
for things like the Prosport are they not eligible for Britcar? Or even GT Cup?
Otherwise I do think a sort of Sports Libre catch all series, not a championship, may actually work quite well.
Though don't preclude modern cars. However does the Open Sportscar Series by the BRSCC not fulfil this brief as well?
Simon
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