RE: Road marking removal evidence challenged
RE: Road marking removal evidence challenged
Wednesday 6th October 2004

Road marking removal evidence challenged

Removing road centre lines bad for safety, say officials


Fight! Road marking contractors have challenged evidence showing that removing white lines from the centre of roads has cut both speeds and casualties. The Road Safety Markings Association (what do you mean you never heard of them?) is accusing Wiltshire County Council -- which reported a 35 per cent reduction in casualties at 12 sites -- of using statistically weak data. It also claims the authority ignored one site where there had been no accidents for three years -- until the centre line's removal.

Wiltshire failed to supply most of the information that RSMA required to assess the safety initiative, according to its national director George Lee. "If you're going to make bold claims you need to be able to substantiate them in a more robust and open manner,' he said in the association's Surveyor magazine.

But Wiltshire's traffic and road safety manager Andrew Wyatt, who reported the 35 per cent casualty savings, defended his authority's policy, stressing that Wiltshire was not alone in pursuing lane-marking removal.

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PetrolTed

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34,461 posts

325 months

Wednesday 6th October 2004
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I was thinking about this earlier. I caught a bit of Motors TV where a biker was riding through a French village. Hardly any road markings to be seen at all.

I think it's a sign of British culture - we have to tell people where to go and what to do!

manek

2,978 posts

306 months

Wednesday 6th October 2004
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Yup, no credit given for common sense. Typical of British governments for the last 75 years...

Graham

16,378 posts

306 months

Wednesday 6th October 2004
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I've driven through a few places with road markings removed ( one of them may have been the trial)

and i'd actually be inclined to believe them that it is an effective way to slow people down and force them to me more aware of the surroundings, than blindly following the lines..


an example of this is a junction..

if you come to a heavily signed and marked junction that shows you have right of way, i bet most people barely glance at the incoming road.

however if there are no marking on the junction, it forces you to check..


imho

G

mcecm

674 posts

289 months

Wednesday 6th October 2004
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So what would happen if there was an accident at an unmarked junction? Who would sue who? Could they sue the agencies involved for removing the markings? Our claim culture would be up the spout!

Apache

39,731 posts

306 months

Wednesday 6th October 2004
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mcecm said:
Our claim culture would be up the spout!



a win win situation then?

mcecm

674 posts

289 months

Wednesday 6th October 2004
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Apache said:

mcecm said:
Our claim culture would be up the spout!




a win win situation then?

agent006

12,058 posts

286 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Does it not seem obvious taht the society representing companies that paint the lines on the roads would want as much line painting to go on as possible?

ohopkins

708 posts

262 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Doesn't it seem obvious that the people with most to lose from this would be the most outraged when weak statistics and cherry picked number were used ?

I think I am almost getting blase about this goverment lying to me.

XM5ER

5,094 posts

270 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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It would be interesting to see if the average numpty keeps to the left of the road for a change.

There is nothing more infuriating than a nice 4 car wide single carraigeway with slow moving numpties hogging the centre line.

steve_D

13,801 posts

280 months

Saturday 9th October 2004
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Citroen won't be happy. It's new C5 won't have anything to follow.

Steve

corozin

2,680 posts

293 months

Monday 11th October 2004
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I have some experience of driving through some of the Wilts villages where the lines were removed.

I had a v-e-r-y near miss last year driving through one of them at night in the wet last year, when a numpty in a Cavalier came at me on my side of the road. We almost had a head-on.

I like to think that I am attentive enough to drive to the conditions, and make sure my road position is correct even when the lines are removed, but there are lots of drivers out there who are dependant on the centre line.

What appalls me is that Wilts Council seem more than happy for innocent drivers like me to risk becoming an accident statistic just so they can "experiment" with unresearched schemes like this.

John

ThRu5H

26 posts

256 months

Saturday 16th October 2004
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I`m sure the insurers will love it, considering they wont pay out to third party policies if there are no white lines in the middle of the road, knock for knock.

tinman0

18,231 posts

262 months

Sunday 17th October 2004
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what absolute nonsense.

one of the reasons we have very safe roads in the UK is because we make things extremely clear. lane markings is one of those little things.

road markings are priceless when road conditions are very bad especially at night.

this proposal is more about a lack of funds on the part of the council and finding silly cost cutting measures.