Making the desert bloom.

Making the desert bloom.

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Original Poster:

39,963 posts

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Sunday 26th May 2013
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One of my ambitions is to "Feed the World" [(c)Bob Marley & Midge Ure] biggrin

The plan is as follows;

Set up a solar powered desalination plant in a democratic Libya or Tunisia.
Gather organic waste from Europe and transport to the Sahara
Spread it over the desert to create topsoil
Plant some stuff like potatoes and whatnot


In other words - why can't we turn the Sahara into farmland?

jas xjr

11,309 posts

240 months

Sunday 26th May 2013
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how about creating salt water lakes that can be stocked with fish in the desert ?

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Sunday 26th May 2013
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jas xjr said:
how about creating salt water lakes that can be stocked with fish in the desert ?
Where would the water come from to replace evaporation?

If you continually pumped it from the ocean you'd risk creating salt lakes.

So definitely desalinate first smile

jas xjr

11,309 posts

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Sunday 26th May 2013
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jas xjr said:
how about creating salt water lakes that can be stocked with fish in the desert ?
Where would the water come from to replace evaporation?

If you continually pumped it from the ocean you'd risk creating salt lakes.

So definitely desalinate first smile
from the ocean , stocked with fish that like salt water

Simpo Two

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Sunday 26th May 2013
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So what you're proposing is to increase the world's population?

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Sunday 26th May 2013
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Simpo Two said:
So what you're proposing is to increase the world's population?
No. It's going to be like Logan's Run wink

Simpo Two

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Sunday 26th May 2013
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Now why did I just think of Jenny Agutter's butt?

Carry on biggrin

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Original Poster:

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Sunday 26th May 2013
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I'm on a mission to cure world hunger and all you can think of is Jenny Agutter's butt?.

For shame!

Simpo Two

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Sunday 26th May 2013
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You won't cure world hunger. The population will simply increase until it is hungry again. Which is what it did last time. That's how nature works - breed until a critical resource runs out.

It's as practical as socialists who think that all you have to do to make poor people richer is give them money. No it isn't; they spend it until they are poor again.

Edited by Simpo Two on Sunday 26th May 23:42

perdu

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200 months

Sunday 26th May 2013
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I'm in the Jenny Agutter Butt team yes





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Original Poster:

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Sunday 26th May 2013
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Ok the real reason is purely selfish - I'm worried about the Chinese cornering the World Weetabix Supply and need a backup plan. wink

Never mind the end result - I need some practical suggestions on how to increase food supply.

I could murder a doner....

speedy_thrills

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244 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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Countdown said:
In other words - why can't we turn the Sahara into farmland?
There are a lot of desert depressions in the U.S. that could be made into artificial lakes (if connected with the sea through canal and tunnelling). This could be used for aquaculture and would likely significantly increase rainfall across what is currently desert land. This has been an increasing problem in recent years with reduced rainfall and the Colorado about as well exploited as is realistically possible.

They need a bigger plan to redistribute water resources, perhaps like the Chinese South–North Water Transfer Project to transfer water from areas of abundant freshwater (great lakes etc.) to areas of productive farmland in the American Midwest currently struggling with drought.

Someone once had a plan to dam the Strait of Gibraltar and progressively run down the Mediterranean sea to create farmland. There are also some smaller inlets where a dam and dyke could reclaim land.

davepoth

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200 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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Your money would be better spent on making the Sahara reflective - doing so would increase the albedo, bouncing a lot of the sun's energy back into space. Enough of that and the poles would get bigger, further increasing the albedo and causing an ice age. Then the Sahara would be just about right for farming.

Simpo Two

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Monday 27th May 2013
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Not too good for England though... think how many carbons we'd burn trying to keep warm in an ice age.

Hugo a Gogo

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234 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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surely if there is global warming, vast areas of Siberia (maybe N. Canada too) will be available for farming

MartG

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205 months

Monday 27th May 2013
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Hugo a Gogo said:
surely if there is global warming, vast areas of Siberia (maybe N. Canada too) will be available for farming
Too many midgies !

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Monday 27th May 2013
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davepoth said:
Your money would be better spent on making the Sahara reflective - doing so would increase the albedo, bouncing a lot of the sun's energy back into space. Enough of that and the poles would get bigger, further increasing the albedo and causing an ice age. Then the Sahara would be just about right for farming.
But surely increasing the size of the Poles would reduce the amount of land available for farming in Siberia, Canada etc ?

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Monday 27th May 2013
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speedy_thrills said:
There are a lot of desert depressions in the U.S. that could be made into artificial lakes (if connected with the sea through canal and tunnelling). This could be used for aquaculture and would likely significantly increase rainfall across what is currently desert land. This has been an increasing problem in recent years with reduced rainfall and the Colorado about as well exploited as is realistically possible.
Hmmm...what about artificial mountains to increase rainfall via adiabatic cooling ?

Tycho

11,631 posts

274 months

Tuesday 28th May 2013
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Couldn't you put massive solar farms in the desert to create hydrogen to ship to Europe etc? Surely this would be a better use?

tuffer

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268 months

Tuesday 28th May 2013
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I propose Soylent Green......