Place your bets now - engine failure cause...
Place your bets now - engine failure cause...
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jammy_basturd

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29,778 posts

236 months

Monday 3rd June 2013
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Well after 2.4 years, I finally got my Cerbera MOT'd today and it passed! biggrin

So collected this afternoon. On the way home, car starts to make a ticker ticker sound - similar to a misfire, but no real affect on the engine and could have easily been a zip tie or something hitting something rotating. As I come off a roundabout, there's a bit of a clunk, the noise becomes a bit more mechanical/rattley, so I pull over sharpish, pop the bonnet and look around. I did move one zip tie away from the crankshaft pulley and noticed the wiper tubing had burnt on the exhaust (again).

Couldn't see any other problems so I thought I could limp the car across the dual carriageway (wasn't parked in the best of positions) and into the hotel car park a couple of hundred yards away. As I start the car there is an almighty plume of white smoke through the offside exhaust and the car sounds pretty bad.

Lots of coolant has gone, still dripping out of the exhaust.

So before I start stripping the engine down, get your guesses in as to what it might be.

ukkid35

6,392 posts

197 months

Monday 3rd June 2013
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Time to change your SN

Very sorry to hear of your woes.

But I doubt your limp out of danger efforts will contribute significantly to your rebuild costs.

ukkid35

6,392 posts

197 months

Monday 3rd June 2013
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Just a little follow up:

Your TVRSite has been truly invaluable to me, if there is any way I can return the favour please let me know.

camel_landy

5,412 posts

207 months

Monday 3rd June 2013
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Well... The coolant has probably gone through either:

  • Head gasket
  • Water rails
  • Damage to head/block
Unfortunately, due to the preceding noise, I'd be looking at the latter. frown

M

itsallyellow

3,846 posts

244 months

Monday 3rd June 2013
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Having blown quite a few AJP's up in a variety of ways..... I think this one isn't good... (Sorry)

Sounds like either something has gone into the engine or a valve has dropped.. This has then caused distress within that cylinder cracking the liner/block causing coolant to enter the cylinder. I hope I'm wrong and it's just made the head gasket pop!

Where are you based?

Mike

jammy_basturd

Original Poster:

29,778 posts

236 months

Monday 3rd June 2013
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Sittingbourne, Kent.

Yea, I've already come to terms with a probable dead engine. I've got everything crossed that I've either misheard the mechanical noise or it's some way unrelated, but I very much doubt it is! A dropped valve or chunk out of the head/block/both is my probable diagnosis too.

As you say ukkid, time to change the SN! hehe (I've also got a load of more stuff to upload to my site at some stage).

I'm going to try to take the cam cover off tomorrow just in case that gives me any clues - though I'm already playing catching up with my business as I effectively had a week off last week to move house!

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention in my OP is that whatever got hit, it didn't affect the oil system - I still had very good pressure when I cut the engine as it was the first dial I looked at when the clunk occurred!

I knew, after 2.5 years, that something was almost certainly going to have dried or corroded - I was just hoping it would be an electrical connector or a steering rack seal or similar!

itsallyellow

3,846 posts

244 months

Monday 3rd June 2013
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I'm only in west malling if you need a hand or someone else to take a look? Driving em is more my thing but have picked up a great deal of knowledge along the way! Especially when it comes to breaking them and then having to fix them!!

Mike

jammy_basturd

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29,778 posts

236 months

Monday 3rd June 2013
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Cheers Mike, much appreciated! beer

I'll get the cam cover off and plugs out and see what that tells us. If we can't work out what's gone wrong at that stage, then I don't believe there is a great deal more I can do without taking the engine out anyway.

Cerbieherts

1,652 posts

165 months

Monday 3rd June 2013
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The unsavoury noise does point towards something important failing! I'd be inclined to remove plugs and look for signs of water/oil ingress, then remove the rocker covers and check cams/followers etc before turning the engine over again.

longbow

1,610 posts

259 months

Monday 3rd June 2013
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Snapped camshaft leading to valve/piston contact on one bank?

Mr Cerbera

5,148 posts

254 months

Tuesday 4th June 2013
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Over-excessive pressure from MOT tester's right foot ? scratchchin

julian64

14,325 posts

278 months

Tuesday 4th June 2013
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The good news is that mike can take the engine out in about an hour.

itsallyellow

3,846 posts

244 months

Tuesday 4th June 2013
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Too much practice!!!! :-)

jammy_basturd

Original Poster:

29,778 posts

236 months

Tuesday 4th June 2013
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Just to give you minute by minute updates as the engine comes apart.

Got the inlet off, there is definitely coolant in the 2nd and 3rd inlet tracts on the offside bank. All valves intact though!

jammy_basturd

Original Poster:

29,778 posts

236 months

Tuesday 4th June 2013
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Correction, the inlet valves look fine!

I'm sure if I was to look at the exhaust valves it would tell a different story...

Got the cam cover off, noticed there was plenty of oil swimming about each cam bucket. Camshaft didn't immediately appear to be in two pieces!

Then noticed this little bugger sticking it's head out the oil, like the iceberg the Titanic hit!



And on closer inspection of the cam buckets:


That black hole in the middle is the top of what used to be the valve stem. frown

Not sure how this has happened, one of the last things I did when I last had this car on the road (over 2 years ago now), was to replace the timing chain whilst the engine was out, and then set the valve shims, which also entailed changing any cam bucket showing signs of wear (of which there was two).

Jhonno

6,430 posts

165 months

Tuesday 4th June 2013
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Defective part..?

jammy_basturd

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29,778 posts

236 months

Tuesday 4th June 2013
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Possibly, but I really can't remember which buckets I changed!

Jhonno

6,430 posts

165 months

Tuesday 4th June 2013
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Bummer.. Always worth noting!!

ukkid35

6,392 posts

197 months

Tuesday 4th June 2013
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Perhaps...

Top hat shim shattered - initial ticking sound
Bucket disintegrated - death rattle sound

Jhonno

6,430 posts

165 months

Tuesday 4th June 2013
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ukkid35 said:
Perhaps...

Top hat shim shattered - initial ticking sound
Bucket disintegrated - death rattle sound
A good shout..