Well hello, fellow Martians...

Well hello, fellow Martians...

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Mojocvh

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Tuesday 11th June 2013
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Some light reading for ya.....



Ref 1.
http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/info/press-releases/Mart...



...UH Astrobiologists Find Martian Clay Contains Chemical Implicated in the Origin of Life
University of Hawaii
For immediate release
June 10, 2013

Researchers from the University of Hawaii at Manoa NASA Astrobiology
Institute (UHNAI) have discovered high concentrations of boron in a
Martian meteorite. When present in its oxidized form (borate), boron may
have played a key role in the formation of RNA, one of the building
blocks for life.
The work was published on June 6 in PLOS One
<http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi/10.1371/journal.pone.0064624>.

The Antarctic Search for Meteorites team found the Martian meteorite
used in this study in Antarctica during its 2009-2010 field season. The
minerals it contains, as well as its chemical composition, clearly show
that it is of Martian origin.

Using the ion microprobe in the W. M. Keck Cosmochemistry Laboratory at
UH, the team was able to analyze veins of Martian clay in the meteorite.
After ruling out contamination from Earth, they determined boron
abundances in these clays are over ten times higher than in any
previously measured meteorite.

"Borates may have been important for the origin of life on Earth because
they can stabilize ribose, a crucial component of RNA. In early life RNA
is thought to have been the informational precursor to DNA," said James
Stephenson, a UHNAI postdoctoral fellow.

RNA may have been the first molecule to store information and pass it on
to the next generation, a mechanism crucial for evolution. Although life
has now evolved a sophisticated mechanism to synthesize RNA, the first
RNA molecules must have been made without such help. One of the most
difficult steps in making RNA nonbiologically is the formation of the
RNA sugar component, ribose. Previous laboratory tests have shown that
without borate the chemicals available on the early Earth fail to build
ribose. However, in the presence of borate, ribose is spontaneously
produced and stabilized.

This work was born from the uniquely interdisciplinary environment of
UHNAI. The lead authors on the paper, Stephenson, an evolutionary
biologist, and Lydia Hallis, a cosmochemist who is also a UHNAI
postdoctoral fellow, first came up with the idea over an after-work
beer. "Given that boron has been implicated in the emergence of life, I
had assumed that it was well characterized in meteorites," said
Stephenson. "Discussing this with Dr. Hallis, I found out that it was
barely studied. I was shocked and excited. She then informed me that
both the samples and the specialized machinery needed to analyze them
were available at UH."

On our planet, borate-enriched salt, sediment and clay deposits are
relatively common, but such deposits had never previously been found on
an extraterrestrial body. This new research suggests that when life was
getting started on Earth, borate could also have been concentrated in
deposits on Mars.

The significance goes beyond an interest in the red planet, as Hallis
explains: "Earth and Mars used to have much more in common than they do
today. Over time, Mars has lost a lot of its atmosphere and surface
water, but ancient meteorites preserve delicate clays from wetter
periods in Mars' history. The Martian clay we studied is thought to be
up to 700 million years old. The recycling of the Earth's crust via
plate tectonics has left no evidence of clays this old on our planet;
hence Martian clays could provide essential information regarding
environmental conditions on the early Earth."

The presence of ancient borate-enriched clays on Mars implies that these
clays may also have been present on the early Earth. Borate-enriched
clays such as the ones studied here may have represented chemical havens
in which one of life's key molecular building blocks could form.

UHNAI is a research center that links the biological, chemical, geological,
and astronomical sciences to better understand the origin, history,
distribution, and role of water as it relates to life in the universe.

Ref2.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi/10.1371/...

We have detected a concentration of boron in martian clay far in excess of that in any previously reported extra-terrestrial object. This enrichment indicates that the chemistry necessary for the formation of ribose, a key component of RNA, could have existed on Mars since the formation of early clay deposits, contemporary to the emergence of life on Earth. Given the greater similarity of Earth and Mars early in their geological history, and the extensive disruption of Earth's earliest mineralogy by plate tectonics, we suggest that the conditions for prebiotic ribose synthesis may be better understood by further Mars exploration....

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

256 months

Tuesday 11th June 2013
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Dun dun duuuur
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Da da da, da da daaaa.

The chances of anything coming from mars, it apparently quite high, they said, particularly in relation to Boron.

Eric Mc

122,065 posts

266 months

Tuesday 11th June 2013
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TheHeretic said:
Dun dun duuuur
Da da da, da da daaa
Dun dun duuuur
Da da da, da da daaaa.

The chances of anything coming from mars, it apparently quite high, they said, particularly in relation to Boron.
I didn't know The Police had anything to do with War of the Worlds.

Simpo Two

85,556 posts

266 months

Tuesday 11th June 2013
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One word: rubbish.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

256 months

Tuesday 11th June 2013
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Simpo Two said:
One word: rubbish.
Are you suggesting that the Martians were simply getting rid of their refuse boron deposits by throwing it at earth? scratchchin

Eric Mc

122,065 posts

266 months

Wednesday 12th June 2013
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Swines - they were probably inplementing some "green agenda" - or perhaps a "Little Green Men" agenda.

coanda

2,643 posts

191 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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Simpo Two said:
One word: rubbish.
Would you be willing to expand on your one word? smile

Simpo Two

85,556 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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Without wasting too much time I'll paraphrase. 'Borate has been found on Mars. Borate might help stabilise RNA. Therefore there was life on Mars.'

XM5ER

5,091 posts

249 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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Simpo Two said:
Without wasting too much time I'll paraphrase. 'Borate has been found on Mars. Borate might help stabilise RNA. Therefore there was life on Mars.'
Actually if you read the article right through it says, "we think RNA can only arise in borate rich environments but preseent day earth doesnt seem to have enough. However, looking at Mars which doesnt have tectonic plates (and therefore subduction) we can see that it is likely that at an earlier stage in Earths history our planets geology was probably pretty similar and therefore borate rich, thus supporting our hypothosis.
Sadly the article is badly written and on first glance it seems to be supporting the "rubbish" meteorite/comet seeding life theory.

Simpo Two

85,556 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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Mmm, I've read that summary twice. They are trying to imply, via at least two massive leaps of faith, that borate equals life. I disagree.

XM5ER

5,091 posts

249 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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Fair enough. smile