RE: Subaru Impreza CS400: Spotted
RE: Subaru Impreza CS400: Spotted
Thursday 13th June 2013

Subaru Impreza CS400: Spotted

PH goes shopping for an alternative to the Mercedes A45 AMG



So the Mercedes A45 AMG has largely lived up to expectations as AMG's first hot hatch (no, the A210 Evolution definitely doesn't count); it's hugely fast, confidence-inspiring and rewarding, a world away from the AMG of not so many years ago.

Finding a conceptual predecessor is therefore quite challenging. The Audi RS3 is also turbocharged and sends more than 300hp to all four wheels but, as Chris Harris found out in a video comparison with That BMW recently, it rather struggled when push came to push-on understeer.

AMG didn't invent the fast 4WD hatchback...
AMG didn't invent the fast 4WD hatchback...
So what else is there? The VW Golf R also does the premium 4WD hatch things quite well, but it's rather lacking power in this company. A Focus RS, particularly a Mountune version, boasts the requisite power but is FWD only and Volvo killed off the C30 without delivering on a 4WD Polestar.

Therefore, we give you the Subaru Impreza CS400, aka the Impreza Cosworth.

Let's deal with the absent commonalities first. On-board connectivity in the Impreza is between your bum and the seats, plus your hands and the wheel. Who wants to Tweet in the car anyway? A combined 35mpg will only be achieved while being towed. And the only premium aspect of a Subaru Impreza is its required fuel grade.

So there are some rather fundamental differences. However, the A-Class AMG and Impreza Cosworth do share a few key attributes; both are less than £40,000, both have over 350hp with absurd specific outputs from turbocharged four-cylinder engines and both are 4WD, five-door hatchbacks with a surfeit of all-weather performance.

But when it was launched back in 2010, the focus was on a single Impreza statistic; its £50,000 price. The 230-comment thread following the PH news story was dominated by readers aghast at the cost, many highlighting the Nissan GT-R's price in comparison and the availability of Litchfield-tweaked Imprezas with similar performance for less.

Depreciation is your friend if you're buying a CS400
Depreciation is your friend if you're buying a CS400
However, with just 75 examples made, surely it would retain its value strongly like great Imprezas such as the 22B? Erm, not exactly. Our featured CS400 is on a '61' plate and so isn't even two years old. In that time and 12,000 miles, it has lost £16,051, or just over 32 per cent of its value. Ouch.

Perhaps it's the hatch bodystyle, but the market simply hasn't warmed to the CS400. And this is despite a mainly positive press reception. Our colleagues at Autocar praised the revised suspension set up, with new bushings, Bilstein dampers and Eibach springs resulting in 'an STi that is much more controlled, responsive and precise to drive, and yet it's also suited to rutted UK tarmac'. The CS400 was also praised for its 'remarkable' damping finesse.

The fact it has dropped so much already implies the Impreza Cosworth will continue to depreciate as if it were mass-produced for a while yet. Bringing the A45 AMG back into the discussion, values will inevitably soften once the initial launch hype has died down. Given its entry price, however, it probably won't plummet like the biggest AMG saloons.

If you're one of the many saddened by the demise of fast UK Imprezas and disappointed by Subaru denying us that stunning New York concept too, the CS400 looks a great way to keep the fire burning. It's still not cheap, but who thought the most powerful roadgoing Impreza ever would be under £35K now back in 2010?


Subaru Impreza CS400
Engine:
2,457cc flat-4 turbo
Power (hp): 400@5,750rpm
Torque (lb ft): 400@3,950rpm
MPG: 26.9 (standard STI hatchback)
CO2: 243g/km (standard STI hatchback)
First registered: 2011
Price new: £49,995
Yours for: £33,944

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soad

Original Poster:

34,686 posts

206 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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Didn't know these existed...a faster version of the STI WRX 2.5

R26Andy

404 posts

191 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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STI<<<330S<<<CS400

treetops

1,189 posts

188 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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"Depreciation is your friend in the case of the CS400"

You mean 'not your friend'

How much is road tax?

GravelBen

16,519 posts

260 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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treetops said:
"Depreciation is your friend in the case of the CS400"

You mean 'not your friend'
It is your friend if you want to buy one second hand...

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

187 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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soad said:
Didn't know these existed...a faster version of the STI WRX 2.5
Subaru a bit like pagani (who thought thoes two would ever be compared) made the STI 2.5 then endless limited additions Spec C for example or the 330S as was mentioned then you havr the tunners doing there own thing Lichfield Type 20 for example.

As a WRX owner I love the fact you get a car then for a few pennies more you can turn it into a road going monster.

its a pity the impreza died and the GT86 thing (BRZ) is not really a replacement but 18mpg super only and £475 a year tax is not a winner.


Terminator X

20,779 posts

234 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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£50k was way too much when new. Imho the Jap Spec C version was a better car to start with + a few grand spent on mods would also see 400 horses albeit for way less cash.

TX.

GravelBen

16,519 posts

260 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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Gecko1978 said:
Subaru a bit like pagani (who thought thoes two would ever be compared) made the STI 2.5 then endless limited additions Spec C for example or the 330S as was mentioned then you havr the tunners doing there own thing Lichfield Type 20 for example.
The Spec-C was never a 2.5, it was (since 2002ish) the 2.0 Group-N rally homologation car.

There have been special edition Imprezas for as long as there have been Imprezas though, you're not wrong there!

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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Piton Heads said:
AMG didn't invent the fast 4WD hatchback...
Did Subaru?

soad

Original Poster:

34,686 posts

206 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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treetops said:
How much is road tax?
£475 or £490; petrol won't be cheap either.

Zed Ed

1,164 posts

213 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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There were a few pre-reg new Cs400s available at less than £40k until recently.

Always felt it was poorly executed as a car, although I'm sure it would be a big smile behind the wheel.

Would it be possible for Subaru to bring in the JDM spec C under SVA?? for example.

Thought the NBR challenge car sold in Japan would have done well here.

GregR1

11 posts

175 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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I recall the press being lukewarm when it was released. I could never understand why they failed to fit satnav to a £50k car.

Looks like better bets are those that have hit the bottom of their depreciation curve - stronger values with RB320s (which IIRC the press loved) or 2.0 litre JDM spec Cs.

Predictions for bottom with these? £25k? Fuel costs and road tax reduce the market a bit for a non prestige marque.

Edited by GregR1 on Thursday 13th June 14:20

MintyChris

848 posts

222 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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I think at that price range the RS3 would be a good comparison. 2nd hand I cant see them being too far apart?

I cant ever remember hearing my brother rave about these when he drove one, Id suspect you'd have just as much fun in a cheaper older Impreza.

Zed Ed

1,164 posts

213 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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I'll be keeping an eye on CS400 prices, as sooner or later they will be an attractive proposition.

IAJO

231 posts

188 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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I think the fact that it looks like the offspring of red dwarfs Kryton and a rover 25 never helped its cause, nor its 'lexus lights' which had gone out of fasion some years previous.

TNH

592 posts

177 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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I'm probably in the minority, but when they went to the hatchback rather than saloon I thought that they had improved the aesthetics enormously.

These are nice but I'd rather have a Focus RS500.

Ved

3,949 posts

205 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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I saw one of these at my local Subaru servicer after it was being rebuilt. Again.

It seems the issues with the 2.5 didn't just stick to the mainstream releases, which is a bit of a shame.

Daniel1

2,931 posts

228 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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EVO said it fell wide of the mark in a twin review with the RS500 focus.

rtz62

3,799 posts

185 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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Always wondered if it would have been liked better (aesthetics wise) with red rear lights rather than the Halfrauds Ripspeed abominations
Anyway, I'd rather have my WR1 and know for 90 % of the time it would be just as quick.
Oh except in the depreciation stakes where it would be a whole lot slower...

Andy ap

1,147 posts

202 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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Oh thats easy. The Merc looks like a dogs dinner as does the BMW. I wouldnt been seen dead in a Focus RS. The audi RS3 (while i dont know too much about it) just seems a little like a german office to me. Ruthlessly efficient but just meh. The Impreza while I've never liked the hatch shape it has the most appeal to me seeing as we cant get the Volvo.

soad

Original Poster:

34,686 posts

206 months

Thursday 13th June 2013
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TNH said:
I'm probably in the minority, but when they went to the hatchback rather than saloon I thought that they had improved the aesthetics enormously.
I'm not a fan of Australia/USA sedan saloon models.
European hatchback looks way better, apart from those horrid rear lights (as already mentioned).