4.0 vs 4.0 HC
4.0 vs 4.0 HC
Author
Discussion

J4CKO

Original Poster:

46,899 posts

230 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
quotequote all
Excuse the dumb question but how do you tell which is which ?

And are they much different to drive ?

Mr Supercharged

499 posts

187 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
quotequote all
Does it say HC on the plenum chamber badge perhaps? Otherwise no idea, sorry.

rigga

8,806 posts

231 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
quotequote all
Pocketed pistons and double valve springs I think are giveaways on the larger engined HC vehicle's, but if the cam has been replaced in its life at some point to anything other than the original, its not a HC anymore (mines not no matter what the Vin plate or Plenum badge still says)

J4CKO

Original Poster:

46,899 posts

230 months

Tuesday 18th June 2013
quotequote all
So it isn't to do with compression and is just down to the specific cam used at the factory ?

Is there no sure fire way of telling, I.e. after a vin, model year or they have the serpentine belts or something, we're they available side by side, was it a factory option ?

Apologies for the seven year old barrage of questions.


rigga

8,806 posts

231 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
Yes cam application defined if the car was HC (high cam) and not as commonly thought high compression. ....think it was an option when new to spec the car that way, HC badges being available to stick on plenums may confuse the amount of true HC cars out there, only way of checking would be physical inspection I guess.

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

209 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
The ECU will have HC written on it.


Smudger33uk

129 posts

166 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
I have a standard 400 at the mo and about to upgrade the cam to a RealSteel Typhoon. Will that bring my Chim up to a similar spec as the HC? Do I need the ECU remapped ? All advice gratefully received.

andy-w

1,987 posts

256 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
I have a 4ltr HC and it has HC on the engine number, HC on the VIN plate and HC on the plenum if that helps...plus i took the rocker covers off and it has double valve springs...!

Sardonicus

19,454 posts

251 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
Its a 400 engine with the 500 cam fitted and the other parts listed as above wink but that is all an over cammed standard engine IMO frown it should have come with proper heads and intake mods and it would of then been worth bragging rights like the earlier 400 "250" badged/spec motor scratchchin

MADMAX2

2,336 posts

224 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
andy-w said:
I have a 4ltr HC and it has HC on the engine number, HC on the VIN plate and HC on the plenum if that helps...plus i took the rocker covers off and it has double valve springs...!
Mine too !!


Had a sprint with a 4.0 .. Wiped the floor with him ... Zanchin where are you lol

Smudger33uk

129 posts

166 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
Mines a standard 400 but has double valve springs.

K4TRV

1,819 posts

282 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
Smudger33uk said:
Mines a standard 400 but has double valve springs.
^^ +1 ^^ and mine "was" a 1993 pre-serp.

I think anything with HC, unless confirmed by original order receipt and rolling road figure, is just a label on the Plenum, all IMVHO.....8-))

Smudger33uk

129 posts

166 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
K4TRV said:
^^ +1 ^^ and mine "was" a 1993 pre-serp.

I think anything with HC, unless confirmed by original order receipt and rolling road figure, is just a label on the Plenum, all IMVHO.....8-))
Agreed, just interested what it would take to get a standard 400 near to the output of the HC. If I already have double valve springs and plonk a Typhoon cam in would I be geting close?

carsy

3,019 posts

195 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
I would imagine you would be there, there abouts.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
Smudger33uk said:
I have a standard 400 at the mo and about to upgrade the cam to a RealSteel Typhoon. Will that bring my Chim up to a similar spec as the HC? Do I need the ECU remapped ? All advice gratefully received.
To get the most from the cam you'll need it mapped. But it might run ok without.

I have that cam in my 3.5 TR7, also running an Offy manifold, lunminitions, Edlebrock 500cfm 4 brl, S1 heads, single silence rally spec exhaust and some big arse works rally spec long tube exhaust headers and upgraded fuel line and pump.

On the rollers it was making approx 220-230hp and about 219lb ft of torque. I'd hope a 4.0 would do a bit more. It's a nice cam, smoothish idle, not too flat in the lower rpms, but really comes on cam about 3500rpm and just wants to scream, very free reving to about 6000rpm or so.

Smudger33uk

129 posts

166 months

Wednesday 19th June 2013
quotequote all
300bhp/ton said:
To get the most from the cam you'll need it mapped. But it might run ok without.

I have that cam in my 3.5 TR7, also running an Offy manifold, lunminitions, Edlebrock 500cfm 4 brl, S1 heads, single silence rally spec exhaust and some big arse works rally spec long tube exhaust headers and upgraded fuel line and pump.

On the rollers it was making approx 220-230hp and about 219lb ft of torque. I'd hope a 4.0 would do a bit more. It's a nice cam, smoothish idle, not too flat in the lower rpms, but really comes on cam about 3500rpm and just wants to scream, very free reving to about 6000rpm or so.
Many thanks. I plan to upgrade to a Canems ECU but will probably need to get divorced before she lets go of the purse strings smile !

CHIMV8

2,782 posts

251 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
quotequote all
I have a 4.0HC with factory receipt backup,

Had full rebuild at V8D which amongst other things included new heads and a Stealth Cam.

Am I HC less now then??

MADMAX2

2,336 posts

224 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
quotequote all
No you are the same as me

4.0HCSC

thumbup

CHIMV8

2,782 posts

251 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
quotequote all
MADMAX2 said:
No you are the same as me

4.0HCSC

thumbup
LOL!!!!

A900ss

3,314 posts

182 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
quotequote all
CHIMV8 said:
I have a 4.0HC with factory receipt backup,

Had full rebuild at V8D which amongst other things included new heads and a Stealth Cam.

Am I HC less now then??
But which is the 'lairier' cam? The factory HC or the Stealth?

I've just put a Stealth in my 450 and would be interested what HP it's likely to be pushing out at the moment. A session on the rollers may be due once its done a couple of thousand miles....