Mark Hales made bankrupt
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lowdrag

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13,183 posts

242 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Those of you who kindly contributed to the fund will know about this, but for those who don't here is the email I received from Mark today......



To everybody who has been kind enough to donate...



Apologies again for this round robin email, and also to those kind people I may have missed last time.



Thank you all so much for your generosity and support in this unpleasant matter. Your contributions allowed me to keep the fight going for a bit longer, and to survive while it was all going on. It’s amazing how these things completely take over your life and working productively is one of the first things that suffers.



I use the past tense in the context of the fight, because on June 11th Piper purchased the last piece of his retribution and succeeded in making me bankrupt.



Piper has now spent nearly £80,000 in his efforts to bankrupt me and has refused all offers to settle. A group headed by the CEO of Nick Mason’s businesses had organised some serious fund raising activities and Nick and others had kindly underwritten a minimum of £50,000. This was on the table, plus whatever surplus came from the fundraising, plus anything remaining in your fund. Piper refused the offer saying he would continue with the bankruptcy proceedings.



I have the interview with the Official Receiver on Tuesday. I’ll let you know how it goes.



Thanks again



Mark


Frankly, I consider the whole affair a shoddy business, but then there will always be pro's and con's for both sides so leave it there. It seems that this time Goliath came out the winner against David. Sad.

RESSE

6,096 posts

250 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Thank you for sharing Mark's email (sadly, not the result we hoped for).

benjj

6,787 posts

192 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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I always felt that Mark was very hard done by. We're all big boys and know the rules. At least I thought we did.

Still, you play with fire you occasionally get burned. Sadly another rule of life.

supertouring

2,228 posts

262 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Sounds like it got personal.

orangeLP400

402 posts

232 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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This is very sad, and again shows that no one comes out well in this sort of legal scenario. It would seen , and i don't know all the details,but from what i have read including the Octane mag, that offers of some sort were put on the table and were rejected. I do feel for Mark and i do know that Mr Piper may suffer some animosity from the classic car and classic race car fraternity, certainly from myself for what its worth. I do hope that his invitations to South Africa where he is something of a hero and where i have a past, are no longer forthcoming. And I for one, will not be keen to attend events where he is officially included. But all round, a bad show and not what we in the classic car movement expect from fellow enthusiasts.

POORCARDEALER

8,663 posts

270 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Sounds like an unreasonable tt to me.....

Dphillip67

222 posts

159 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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POORCARDEALER said:
Sounds like an unreasonable tt to me.....
Who?

RDMcG

20,835 posts

236 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Well, Mr.Piper will now be free to enjoy his cars in complete peace, unbothered ever again by a journalist or anyone who would consider driving one of his cars. I trust he will enjoy the isolation.

POORCARDEALER

8,663 posts

270 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Dphillip67 said:
POORCARDEALER said:
Sounds like an unreasonable tt to me.....
Who?
Piper.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

200 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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RDMcG said:
Well, Mr.Piper will now be free to enjoy his cars in complete peace, unbothered ever again by a journalist or anyone who would consider driving one of his cars. I trust he will enjoy the isolation.
Well put.

Behemoth

2,105 posts

160 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Terrible. I hope motor journalism will not suffer because of the vengeful spite of one individual.

darreni

4,513 posts

299 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Only Piper & Hales know what was said/agreed between the two parties before & after driving the car.

Hales seems to be keen to slate Piper, while Piper has remained silent.

I've a lot of respect for both men, its just a shame it could not have been sorted out over a pint & a handshake.

POORCARDEALER

8,663 posts

270 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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I've a lot of respect for both men, its just a shame it could not have been sorted out over a pint & a handshake.
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That's what is sad about the situation.

spitfire4v8

4,025 posts

210 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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How much has Hales got to pay out in the end? I find it very hard to imagine that he can't put his hands on a fairly substantial sum of money with his friends/contacts..

Lotus 50

1,029 posts

194 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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POORCARDEALER said:
I've a lot of respect for both men, its just a shame it could not have been sorted out over a pint & a handshake.
That's what is sad about the situation.
Yep, I'm with you on this one. As mentioned in one of the other threads on this one neither side seems to come out of this well - whilst Piper's actions appear vindictive I don't find the way that Hales and others with direct access to media have presented the story particularly edifying...

Dphillip67

222 posts

159 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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spitfire4v8 said:
How much has Hales got to pay out in the end? I find it very hard to imagine that he can't put his hands on a fairly substantial sum of money with his friends/contacts..
He is bankrupt

spitfire4v8

4,025 posts

210 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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So what happens now? How does Piper get any money? Having never been bankrupt I have no idea how these things work ..

Dphillip67

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159 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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spitfire4v8 said:
So what happens now? How does Piper get any money? Having never been bankrupt I have no idea how these things work ..
https://www.gov.uk/bankruptcy/overview

HTH

spitfire4v8

4,025 posts

210 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Right so Piper has to believe then that Hales has sizeable assets, above that which was offered in the earlier offers? or there's no point in going after the assets ..

Lotus 50

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194 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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I think the situation is that Hale's can't afford to pay the legal costs and the cost of fixing his car so bankruptcy proceedings have started to force the sale of his remaining capital assets to the point where the bill is paid. This probably includes house etc. That said if the debt is say £80k legal costs incurred by Piper plus the costs of repairing the Porsche (£40k?) and also Hale's legal costs (£20-40k?). I don't know how much is in the whip round pot but Hales mentions that others promised to put in something like £50k and there have been various other fundraising events. Whether Mark is properly bankrupt afterwards depends on how much capital he has and whether the promises made by others are kept... I'd suspect he wouldn't be totally broke.

But then it's hard to know for certain exactly what the numbers are and how they stack up so the above is just guesswork!
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