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Have any of you seen in America they have classed obesity as a disease! what a joke
so now are people going to sue KFC for causing a disease because their meals are high in cals...
Are people now able to take time paid off work as they are officially ill...
I almost guarantee that this country will follow suit...
America have said that by doing it it stops people just saying that obese people are just irresponsible and will increase investment in drugs to cure it... cure what, the fact of the matter is they eat far more than they burn off... simple as, the way to bloody cure it is to lower calories or up your exercise to meet what u eat, How can you invest in a drug to cure something that cant be 'cured' but just education and lack of laziness will 'cure'.
Now Im fully aware their will be obese people here, but mostly I would expect that are trying to do something about their weight and are fully aware that they are the only people that can change how they eat. From personal experience i regularly see people who would be classed as Obese in a BMI sense doing almost nothing in the gym, and 90% of them do absolutely 0 cardio work.
It is rather ridiculous than rather than attempt to educate the population about better eating, America have stumped for a cop out.
so now are people going to sue KFC for causing a disease because their meals are high in cals...
Are people now able to take time paid off work as they are officially ill...
I almost guarantee that this country will follow suit...
America have said that by doing it it stops people just saying that obese people are just irresponsible and will increase investment in drugs to cure it... cure what, the fact of the matter is they eat far more than they burn off... simple as, the way to bloody cure it is to lower calories or up your exercise to meet what u eat, How can you invest in a drug to cure something that cant be 'cured' but just education and lack of laziness will 'cure'.
Now Im fully aware their will be obese people here, but mostly I would expect that are trying to do something about their weight and are fully aware that they are the only people that can change how they eat. From personal experience i regularly see people who would be classed as Obese in a BMI sense doing almost nothing in the gym, and 90% of them do absolutely 0 cardio work.
It is rather ridiculous than rather than attempt to educate the population about better eating, America have stumped for a cop out.
Regiment said:
99% of people who have obesity do have serious psychological issues, otherwise they wouldn't be that fat. The problem is the NHS deal with it as a physical fault rather than a mental issue.
I'm not buying that, sorry.I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
I used to be 18 stone (a little over 12 stone now).
I didn't become obese because I had a disease; I got fat because I was a lazy slob who ate too much. So I ate less and moved a bit more and now I'm not obese - simple. To call obesity a disease is insulting to people who have 'actual' diseases.
I believe it's possible to have a propensity to becoming obese (my grandmother is, my father is, etc) but propensity or not, you don't become obese without shovelling a load of junk into your face.
I didn't become obese because I had a disease; I got fat because I was a lazy slob who ate too much. So I ate less and moved a bit more and now I'm not obese - simple. To call obesity a disease is insulting to people who have 'actual' diseases.
I believe it's possible to have a propensity to becoming obese (my grandmother is, my father is, etc) but propensity or not, you don't become obese without shovelling a load of junk into your face.
OllieC said:
I'm not buying that, sorry.
I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
So why do it? You know you are halming yourself. Yet you still choose to do it.I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
If you found pain pleasurable, and spent lunchtime hacking at your arm with a knife, there is a good chance you'd be considered ill. But do the same thing with a curry and 20 cream cakes and you're not?
Sounds to me like you have an addiction and are in denial that that is a mental health issue.
OllieC said:
I'm not buying that, sorry.
I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
Some people can hold their hands up and say I'm happy being obese and if I want to do something about it, I will. Others are obese because they've had a family tragedy, they're stressed, they've got terrible self esteem. Why do you eat and drink too much if you know it's very unhealthy and degrade your quality of life?I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
Sugar addiction abounds. Lots of interesting stuff around about sugar not fat leading to obesity. Carbohydrates are sugar or course. If you're on Twitter Tim Noakes (@ProfTimNoakes) tweets links to lots of interesting studies about the problems with the "health" food industry focusing on low-fat rather than low-sugar.
But anyone saying so gets ridiculed as a faddist or something. Munter said:
OllieC said:
I'm not buying that, sorry.
I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
So why do it? You know you are halming yourself. Yet you still choose to do it.I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
If you found pain pleasurable, and spent lunchtime hacking at your arm with a knife, there is a good chance you'd be considered ill. But do the same thing with a curry and 20 cream cakes and you're not?
Sounds to me like you have an addiction and are in denial that that is a mental health issue.
on another note im glad people who are or were porky are agreeing. I once got up to 15 stone and realised i was putting on the pounds so i slimmed down again. I was eating too much of the wrong stuff. Not a psychological thing whatsoever just lazxiness.
Munter said:
OllieC said:
I'm not buying that, sorry.
I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
So why do it? You know you are halming yourself. Yet you still choose to do it.I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
If you found pain pleasurable, and spent lunchtime hacking at your arm with a knife, there is a good chance you'd be considered ill. But do the same thing with a curry and 20 cream cakes and you're not?
Sounds to me like you have an addiction and are in denial that that is a mental health issue.
Labelling any of these lacks of restraint as an illness or addiction simply removes personal responsibility from anything we do.
Can't stop having affairs=addicted to sex
Fat=addicted to food
Don't want to go to work=addicted to sitting in your garden.
As adults, we are responsible for our actions, nobody else.
Regiment said:
OllieC said:
I'm not buying that, sorry.
I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
Some people can hold their hands up and say I'm happy being obese and if I want to do something about it, I will. Others are obese because they've had a family tragedy, they're stressed, they've got terrible self esteem. Why do you eat and drink too much if you know it's very unhealthy and degrade your quality of life?I'm Obese (just - 16 stone and 6') because I eat and drink too much, and don't exercise enough, not because I have a serious psychological issue.
They're not ill, they're greedy.
BettySwollocks2 said:
Im sorry munter but thats rubbish, it isnt painful being 16 stone just unhealthy, you wouldnt feel physical pain maybe breathless.
on another note im glad people who are or were porky are agreeing. I once got up to 15 stone and realised i was putting on the pounds so i slimmed down again. I was eating too much of the wrong stuff. Not a psychological thing whatsoever just lazxiness.
Way to read what I wrote and fail to comprehend it!on another note im glad people who are or were porky are agreeing. I once got up to 15 stone and realised i was putting on the pounds so i slimmed down again. I was eating too much of the wrong stuff. Not a psychological thing whatsoever just lazxiness.
I didn't say 16 stone was painful. I was simply comparing one form of self harm with another. One is considered a mental illness. Yet the other is not?
You handled your weight problem. But what's that got to do with it? I got better from a cold. It doesn't mean I wasn't ill then and won't be ill in the future.
When you "realised" you had a weight problem you decided to treat it. Good for you. But there are people who realise they have a weight problem, and consciously decide not to treat it. They do the opposite of what you did.
They know your call would be the right one, but decide to do something that will harm themselves instead. Would you say that those people are "thinking correctly" or "not thinking correctly".
I would say they are "not thinking correctly". And that is mental illness.
You appear to have read a news story. Got to a point you don't understand, and decided because you don't understand that the message in the story is wrong. Rather than thinking "I don't understand why people do this, perhaps we should try to understand why people do this." You thought "I don't understand why people do this, so I feel qualified to judge them".
Munter said:
But there are people who realise they have a weight problem, and consciously decide not to treat it. They do the opposite of what you did.
They know your call would be the right one, but decide to do something that will harm themselves instead. Would you say that those people are "thinking correctly" or "not thinking correctly".
I would say they are "not thinking correctly". And that is mental illness.
It's not a mental illness it's about being an adult and taking control of your life and your behaviour. They know your call would be the right one, but decide to do something that will harm themselves instead. Would you say that those people are "thinking correctly" or "not thinking correctly".
I would say they are "not thinking correctly". And that is mental illness.
I'm supposed to be doing something else but i'm on PHs. I know I should be doing something else important but i'm putting it off and procrastinating. It's not an illness. It's a lack of discipline. I am consciously deciding not to do the important thing because it's hard and it's easier to sit here on PHs.
I am according to you "thinking incorrectly" It's not self harm though, it's just being lazy and lacking discipline. I'm an adult though and I don't expect anyone else to come over and coach me off the computer and tell me to come in from the garden and get on with what i'm supposed to be doing.
el stovey said:
Munter said:
But there are people who realise they have a weight problem, and consciously decide not to treat it. They do the opposite of what you did.
They know your call would be the right one, but decide to do something that will harm themselves instead. Would you say that those people are "thinking correctly" or "not thinking correctly".
I would say they are "not thinking correctly". And that is mental illness.
It's not a mental illness it's about being an adult and taking control of your life and your behaviour. They know your call would be the right one, but decide to do something that will harm themselves instead. Would you say that those people are "thinking correctly" or "not thinking correctly".
I would say they are "not thinking correctly". And that is mental illness.
I'm supposed to be doing something else but i'm on PHs. I know I should be doing something else important but i'm putting it off and procrastinating. It's not an illness. It's a lack of discipline. I am consciously deciding not to do the important thing because it's hard and it's easier to sit here on PHs.
I am according to you "thinking incorrectly" It's not self harm though, it's just being lazy and lacking discipline. I'm an adult though and I don't expect anyone else to come over and coach me off the computer and tell me to come in from the garden and get on with what i'm supposed to be doing.
Being able to "take control of your life and behaviour". Is a luxury a lot of fat people do not have. If you have it great. But try and imagine you don't. That your brain doesn't work that way. If you can't get into that frame of mind, I don't see how you can feel qualified to discuss it?
Munter said:
BettySwollocks2 said:
Im sorry munter but thats rubbish, it isnt painful being 16 stone just unhealthy, you wouldnt feel physical pain maybe breathless.
on another note im glad people who are or were porky are agreeing. I once got up to 15 stone and realised i was putting on the pounds so i slimmed down again. I was eating too much of the wrong stuff. Not a psychological thing whatsoever just lazxiness.
Way to read what I wrote and fail to comprehend it!on another note im glad people who are or were porky are agreeing. I once got up to 15 stone and realised i was putting on the pounds so i slimmed down again. I was eating too much of the wrong stuff. Not a psychological thing whatsoever just lazxiness.
I didn't say 16 stone was painful. I was simply comparing one form of self harm with another. One is considered a mental illness. Yet the other is not?
You handled your weight problem. But what's that got to do with it? I got better from a cold. It doesn't mean I wasn't ill then and won't be ill in the future.
When you "realised" you had a weight problem you decided to treat it. Good for you. But there are people who realise they have a weight problem, and consciously decide not to treat it. They do the opposite of what you did.
They know your call would be the right one, but decide to do something that will harm themselves instead. Would you say that those people are "thinking correctly" or "not thinking correctly".
I would say they are "not thinking correctly". And that is mental illness.
You appear to have read a news story. Got to a point you don't understand, and decided because you don't understand that the message in the story is wrong. Rather than thinking "I don't understand why people do this, perhaps we should try to understand why people do this." You thought "I don't understand why people do this, so I feel qualified to judge them".
Its time we stopped pandering to fatties and the fat lobby and start laying into those people who allow themselves to get significantly overweight, a bit of peer pressure is required here. There are a very small minority of fatties who are mentally ill and overweight as a result, and they need support of course.
I became a fatty in the last few years as a result of playing no sport any more, and a change in job from being on my feet all day (warehouseman) to being in a office, and eating less healthily at the same time.
For what its worth I am changing my lifestyle with the intention to become more healthy generally, and to lose some weight as a result, because I am taking responsibility for myself.
OllieC said:
So every single person who smokes or drinks is mentally ill ? because we all know it is bad for us.
Its time we stopped pandering to fatties and the fat lobby and start laying into those people who allow themselves to get significantly overweight, a bit of peer pressure is required here. There are a very small minority of fatties who are mentally ill and overweight as a result, and they need support of course.
I became a fatty in the last few years as a result of playing no sport any more, and a change in job from being on my feet all day (warehouseman) to being in a office, and eating less healthily at the same time.
For what its worth I am changing my lifestyle with the intention to become more healthy generally, and to lose some weight as a result, because I am taking responsibility for myself.
If someone smokes, knows it's bad for them, and chooses not to try and quit. Yes they have a mental health problem. It's called addiction. It's quite commonly discussed around smoking. I'm surprised you've not heard of it?Its time we stopped pandering to fatties and the fat lobby and start laying into those people who allow themselves to get significantly overweight, a bit of peer pressure is required here. There are a very small minority of fatties who are mentally ill and overweight as a result, and they need support of course.
I became a fatty in the last few years as a result of playing no sport any more, and a change in job from being on my feet all day (warehouseman) to being in a office, and eating less healthily at the same time.
For what its worth I am changing my lifestyle with the intention to become more healthy generally, and to lose some weight as a result, because I am taking responsibility for myself.
Drinking to excess is the same. We know it's bad, we do it anyway.
People on here seem to be of the impression that mental illness is some kind of debilitating situation. It can be the equivalent of a sore knee. Not really noticeable or important. But still there. It'll probably get better on it's own without anybody else being involved. But not always. And not for everybody.
Why should smoking or drinking be an addiction but not food?
Munter said:
Way to read what I wrote and fail to comprehend it!
I didn't say 16 stone was painful. I was simply comparing one form of self harm with another. One is considered a mental illness. Yet the other is not?
You handled your weight problem. But what's that got to do with it? I got better from a cold. It doesn't mean I wasn't ill then and won't be ill in the future.
When you "realised" you had a weight problem you decided to treat it. Good for you. But there are people who realise they have a weight problem, and consciously decide not to treat it. They do the opposite of what you did.
They know your call would be the right one, but decide to do something that will harm themselves instead. Would you say that those people are "thinking correctly" or "not thinking correctly".
I would say they are "not thinking correctly". And that is mental illness.
You appear to have read a news story. Got to a point you don't understand, and decided because you don't understand that the message in the story is wrong. Rather than thinking "I don't understand why people do this, perhaps we should try to understand why people do this." You thought "I don't understand why people do this, so I feel qualified to judge them".
not at all, i understand that you say they are technically self harming, but its not like someone who cuts themselves, not in any single way.I didn't say 16 stone was painful. I was simply comparing one form of self harm with another. One is considered a mental illness. Yet the other is not?
You handled your weight problem. But what's that got to do with it? I got better from a cold. It doesn't mean I wasn't ill then and won't be ill in the future.
When you "realised" you had a weight problem you decided to treat it. Good for you. But there are people who realise they have a weight problem, and consciously decide not to treat it. They do the opposite of what you did.
They know your call would be the right one, but decide to do something that will harm themselves instead. Would you say that those people are "thinking correctly" or "not thinking correctly".
I would say they are "not thinking correctly". And that is mental illness.
You appear to have read a news story. Got to a point you don't understand, and decided because you don't understand that the message in the story is wrong. Rather than thinking "I don't understand why people do this, perhaps we should try to understand why people do this." You thought "I don't understand why people do this, so I feel qualified to judge them".
I disagree with the news story because removing the respobsibility of someones actions ie, making themselves obese, does not help them solve the problem.
The only time you can pass the blame is obese children where their parents are in charge of their food intake.
also, I can fully understand why people love to eat a lot of food, I do, i just make sure that I do enough exercise to counteract it.
Munter said:
el stovey said:
Munter said:
But there are people who realise they have a weight problem, and consciously decide not to treat it. They do the opposite of what you did.
They know your call would be the right one, but decide to do something that will harm themselves instead. Would you say that those people are "thinking correctly" or "not thinking correctly".
I would say they are "not thinking correctly". And that is mental illness.
It's not a mental illness it's about being an adult and taking control of your life and your behaviour. They know your call would be the right one, but decide to do something that will harm themselves instead. Would you say that those people are "thinking correctly" or "not thinking correctly".
I would say they are "not thinking correctly". And that is mental illness.
I'm supposed to be doing something else but i'm on PHs. I know I should be doing something else important but i'm putting it off and procrastinating. It's not an illness. It's a lack of discipline. I am consciously deciding not to do the important thing because it's hard and it's easier to sit here on PHs.
I am according to you "thinking incorrectly" It's not self harm though, it's just being lazy and lacking discipline. I'm an adult though and I don't expect anyone else to come over and coach me off the computer and tell me to come in from the garden and get on with what i'm supposed to be doing.
Being able to "take control of your life and behaviour". Is a luxury a lot of fat people do not have. If you have it great. But try and imagine you don't. That your brain doesn't work that way. If you can't get into that frame of mind, I don't see how you can feel qualified to discuss it?
Calling it an illness is making the situation worse for fatties as you're removing their personal responsibility from the equation. Nobody else can do it for them. It's very simple really. People aren't addicted to food, it's not an illness, they're just greedy. Don't go around looking at fatties saying they can't help it, because they can. look at the ex fatties and say if they can do it, so can everyone else.
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