Am I the only one wondering....
Am I the only one wondering....
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oyster

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13,697 posts

277 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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how 'coincidental' it is that Mercedes' race pace has dramatically changed since the infamous tyre test?

CocoUK

1,065 posts

211 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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No.
I imagine a man in Milton Keynes and a man in Maranello may have also noticed...

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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what a load of codswolp

you lot really need to learn to understand F1 better, honestly...

they have learned to use the tyres so much better that they explode....

vonuber

17,868 posts

194 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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Scuffers said:
what a load of codswolp

you lot really need to learn to understand F1 better, honestly...

they have learned to use the tyres so much better that they explode....
I agree, the test would have been no value to them whatsoever. Nothing at all. Nowt. Zilch.
They volunteered to do it out of the goodness of their own hearts.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

284 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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I still have to watch to GP as I had family visiting, but did Merc have issues with degradation? (It sounds like the tyres detroying themselves is a slightly different issue, is it not?)

Did they hit 'the cliff' etc?

Flying Toilet

3,621 posts

240 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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CocoUK said:
No.
I imagine a man in Milton Keynes and a man in Maranello may have also noticed...
Yeah, i have noticed.

vonuber

17,868 posts

194 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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TheHeretic said:
I still have to watch to GP as I had family visiting, but did Merc have issues with degradation? (It sounds like the tyres detroying themselves is a slightly different issue, is it not?)

Did they hit 'the cliff' etc?
No. In fact Hamilton in fourth did one less stop than Alonso in third.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

246 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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I'm sure Ferrari gleaned no benefit from the tests (where they kept the data, unlike Mercedes) they did, either.

I'm also sure Ferrari refused the changes to the tyre construction for altruistic reasons, too.

entropy

6,441 posts

232 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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Well if it was miraculously solved then why is it during the first stint at Monaco Grand Prix that Giedo Van Der Garde could post quicker lap times in his Caterham than eventual race winner Nico Rosberg?

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

284 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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entropy said:
Well if it was miraculously solved then why is it during the first stint at Monaco Grand Prix that Giedo Van Der Garde could post quicker lap times in his Caterham than eventual race winner Nico Rosberg?
Because Nico only has to go faster than the car behind.

Jasandjules

72,560 posts

258 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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Pretty sure they have good race pace, the issue is how fast they destroy tyres....

Grenoble

59,229 posts

184 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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oyster said:
how 'coincidental' it is that Mercedes' race pace has dramatically changed since the infamous tyre test?
Not really. They were on pole at Monaco last year (until Schumi got put to the back) so that's one track where it has made little difference.

They are just getting better. Lets face it, Lewis's move now looks like the right one...

Esseesse

9,027 posts

237 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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Flying Toilet said:
CocoUK said:
No.
I imagine a man in Milton Keynes and a man in Maranello may have also noticed...
Yeah, i have noticed.
Yes I've thought this too.

To those saying of course not, Hamiltons exploded. Well they don't for Mercedes do they, not for Rosberg. I'd suggest it's just pot luck depending on what line you take, and I doubt they could engineer in to the car anything that would save the tyre sidewall from sharp curbs (if that is what caused the blow outs).

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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vonuber said:
I agree, the test would have been no value to them whatsoever. Nothing at all. Nowt. Zilch.
They volunteered to do it out of the goodness of their own hearts.
no, they got paid to do it.

ffs at least try and keep up.

John D.

20,931 posts

238 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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Scuffers said:
what a load of codswolp

you lot really need to learn to understand F1 better, honestly...

they have learned to use the tyres so much better that they explode....
laugh

Bang on.

Janesy B

2,625 posts

215 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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Whatever.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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ash73 said:
Scuffers said:
they have learned to use the tyres so much better that they explode....
Two completely separate issues, and you know it.
not really no...

Lewis was first to blow a tyre, one could suggest that's cause he was pushing them harder than others...

or is that the result of them using them better?

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

284 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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Scuffers said:
not really no...

Lewis was first to blow a tyre, one could suggest that's cause he was pushing them harder than others...

or is that the result of them using them better?
Was the blow due to wear or degradation, or damage from something else?

John D.

20,931 posts

238 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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Esseesse said:
Yes I've thought this too.

To those saying of course not, Hamiltons exploded. Well they don't for Mercedes do they, not for Rosberg. I'd suggest it's just pot luck depending on what line you take, and I doubt they could engineer in to the car anything that would save the tyre sidewall from sharp curbs (if that is what caused the blow outs).
Its interesting that Hamilton was the first to suffer failure whilst disappearing into the distance. Was it because he was cutting more curbs or because he was just loading the tyre more than anyone else? I'm inclined to think it was the latter but have zero evidence to back this up.

Either way this is beyond a joke now. The teams need to agree to some testing using current cars just to give Pirelli a fair chance of producing suitable tyres.

John D.

20,931 posts

238 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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TheHeretic said:
Was the blow due to wear or degradation, or damage from something else?
Finger has been pointed at 'sharp' inside edges of curbs cutting the inner tyre wall on rear left. All were this tyre bar one. On the other hand this may just be the most loaded tyre that got too hot and fell apart.

You're running the risk of spoiling your enjoyment of the GP now!