Cassette Change, which one!
Cassette Change, which one!
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E38

Original Poster:

737 posts

243 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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So my 53/39 12-25 is just too high for many of the Avon hills im starting to cover more and more often.

Im on Ultegra 6700, and am looking at a 11-28 or 12-30 but have no idea if my derailleur and/or chain will fit. They are only a few months old so dont fancy new ones either.....

Can anyone guide me? Internet says a mix of 12-30 will be fine, just try not to Xchain and NO, must buy new stuff to fit!

Cheers

agentnomad

412 posts

301 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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If your front mech will lower enough get a compact chain set (girls and boys gears) fit this for hilly rides and swop back for flatter rides and also when you are fitter you can swop back to the 53/39 (mens gears)

Jayfish

6,795 posts

233 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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39-28 is within 1% gear inches wise of 34-25 which is a fairly standard comapact setup, and your 1% would be to the slightly harder side so no face loss wink

E38

Original Poster:

737 posts

243 months

Wednesday 10th July 2013
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No one is going to count the size of my largest cog, and a cassette change is much cheaper and more flexible than changing crankset.

Can anyone guide as to how to tell if my rear derailleur/chain can take 3 or 5 more teeth?

S6PNJ

5,838 posts

311 months

Wednesday 10th July 2013
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My bike has Ultegra from 2006 fitted and on the Autumn Epic in 2010, I fitted a homebuilt hybrid cassette with a mountain bike 32 tooth gear as my lowest. I had to pull the gear cable back with some cable ties but didn't need to lengthen the chain. That's on a 54/39 as well. You should be fine with a 28 (I'm using that at the moment - again on a hybrid homebuilt cassette) or possibly even a 30 without having to 'fiddle'.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 10th July 2013
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Ultegra 6700 rear mechs will only take a 28t cassettes but in all seriousness, 3 more teeth at the rear will make so little difference you may as well not bother. You'd be better just working on climbing technique and pedalling efficiency.... and Avon hills?!, really?! wink

S6PNJ

5,838 posts

311 months

Wednesday 10th July 2013
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Ask at your LBS for an old MTB cassette and see if it fits, or buy an old dog eared one from ebay. If all is good, simply buy the Ultegra cassette you want.

E38

Original Poster:

737 posts

243 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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So I appreciate the comments, and I'm not a natural climber, but multiple 2km gradients at 12%, hitting 20% in many places is tough, especially with a backpack! I'm sure that would push many on a 39x25.

I will continue my research!

castex

5,172 posts

303 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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Have you tried getting out of the saddle and bouncing your way to the top?

E38

Original Poster:

737 posts

243 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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Too lean to bounce really, but usually do the odd burst standing every few hundred metres.

okgo

42,145 posts

228 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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E38 said:
Too lean to bounce really, but usually do the odd burst standing every few hundred metres.
Yeh, I've no idea how that fat st Contador manages it at 60kg wink

S10GTA

13,791 posts

197 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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39/25 should be enough to get up most stuff. Ride more!

Edited by S10GTA on Friday 19th July 10:10

Matt_N

9,037 posts

232 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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E38 said:
No one is going to count the size of my largest cog, and a cassette change is much cheaper and more flexible than changing crankset.
You don't need to change the whole chain set just the inner ring, I've got a 39t and 36t that I can swap in and out with no issues using SRAM Force cranks and Ultegra FD.


Edited by Matt_N on Friday 19th July 10:11

TwistingMyMelon

6,514 posts

235 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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Too lean to get out the saddle? WTF surely its easier if you are skinnier

I've got 39-25 (lowest) and ride round BAth/Avon are all the time, I love the ratios, but they aren't suited to everyone , plus some of the hills are short but pretty brutal, it does place a lot of emphasis on your legs over your lungs. A 39-28 would get me up anything though, a 39-25 is fine 99% of the time I can see why people would want to change.

If you want an easier cassette, take what you have to a decent LBS and ask for options and prices thats what I do

IroningMan

10,598 posts

276 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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I use 53/39 with a 12-27 cassette most of the time. Causes no problems with DuraAce 7800 and 105 5600 short-cage rear mechs.

I'm sure they'd cope with an 11-28, too, but I'd have no use at all for the 11.

I'm 90kg, though, so need a winch.

Mr Will

13,719 posts

236 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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Unfortunately it's not as simple as a maximum size cog at the rear - it's the difference that matters.

It appears that your rear dérailleur has a 33 tooth capacity - this means that the difference between the biggest and smallest combinations must be 33 or less. Your chain-rings are using up 14 of that 33, leaving a maximum difference of 19 at the rear.

An 11-28 cassette has a difference of 17, so should work just fine. An 11-32 has a difference of 21, so (in theory) won't work but a 13-32 (if it exists) has a difference of 19 so would. Does that make sense?

Personally, I'd go for the 12-30. It should work just fine (18 tooth difference), you don't need the 11t cog outside of racing and it will give you a good bail-out gear if you need it. You can always swap your 12-15 back in at a later date if you want.


IroningMan

10,598 posts

276 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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It'd be interesting to see what the gaps are on a 12-30.

Everyone I ride with uses a compact, so a part of me is keen to use this as an excuse to have a go at a Rotor Q-ring jobbie.

Mr Will

13,719 posts

236 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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IroningMan said:
It'd be interesting to see what the gaps are on a 12-30.

Everyone I ride with uses a compact, so a part of me is keen to use this as an excuse to have a go at a Rotor Q-ring jobbie.
12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27-30

upsidedownmark

2,120 posts

165 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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Two factors play, tooth difference, and the absolute limit on the size (diameter) of cog the RD can take.

You can reduce the effective 'tooth difference' by not being inept / 100% cross chained. The quoted figures protect shimano against the inept, thus are conservative. However, I'm not sure if your RD will take a 30t cog. If it will, go for it.

You'll probably need to wind on some 'B' screw to get it to clear, if it's still a bit tight you can put the B screw in backwards for a little more tension.

You won't be able to put a 34t inner ring on the existing crankset - shimano road stuff is a 110mm BCD for rings <39, and 130mm for anything >=39. Besides a 59/34 combo would shift like cr*p and probably drop the chain.

Frankly I'm becoming convinced that compact is the way to go, despite having run 'standard' rings for a while. I may be able to push 39/25 up the hills, but I'm climbing them faster now I've put the old compact back in, despite being a lot less fit due to injury time. Sitting and spinning / maintaining 85-90RPM works far better for me than doing the contador dance. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Rocksteadyeddie

7,971 posts

257 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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Get a compact. And ride more.