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A friend and I are hoping to join the CSCC Modern Classics series soon. We'll be running an E46 M3 in fairly standard form due to budget restraints. Can anyone give advice on brake setups that don't cost a fortune?
It's currently got HEL hoses, RBF600 fluid, standard discs and unknown £700 racing brake pads that are pretty awesome, but warp the discs fairly quickly. Could we get away with just using RS29s with standard discs? Is the Porsche 4 pot and CSL disc setup worth the money?
It's currently got HEL hoses, RBF600 fluid, standard discs and unknown £700 racing brake pads that are pretty awesome, but warp the discs fairly quickly. Could we get away with just using RS29s with standard discs? Is the Porsche 4 pot and CSL disc setup worth the money?
e36er said:
A friend and I are hoping to join the CSCC Modern Classics series soon. We'll be running an E46 M3 in fairly standard form due to budget restraints. Can anyone give advice on brake setups that don't cost a fortune?
It's currently got HEL hoses, RBF600 fluid, standard discs and unknown £700 racing brake pads that are pretty awesome, but warp the discs fairly quickly. Could we get away with just using RS29s with standard discs? Is the Porsche 4 pot and CSL disc setup worth the money?
A friend and myself came up with the Brembo/CSL discs product and we sold a ton of the brackets to people on the cutters forum. His CSL is still going strong 3 yrs later and so is my Z4MC. We both used EBC Red Stuff, which was perfectly adequate at the Ring. On more demanding UK circuits, you would want to go to RS29s or Carbonne Lorraine. I would also advice you go to CSL's discs upfront in any case. The Brembo set up would not reduce your net stopping distance, but will allow for repeated stomping on the brake pedal without fade. Also, the 4-pots offered better modulation over the single pots. It's currently got HEL hoses, RBF600 fluid, standard discs and unknown £700 racing brake pads that are pretty awesome, but warp the discs fairly quickly. Could we get away with just using RS29s with standard discs? Is the Porsche 4 pot and CSL disc setup worth the money?
My brother's race M3 - search for phoenix yellow M3 build on reader's cars - utilises Brembo GT calipers with CSL disc upfront and is scary in its ability to shave speed.
We stopped making the bracket, as for us it was merely a way to upgrade our own brakes for free, but the rally-road alternartive is also quite good. If your budget allows you, I would upgrade the calipers/front discs...
HTH,
Alex
Thanks for taking the time to post, Alex.
The problem we've got is not wanting to throw too much money at it, hence no APs, but at the same time it's a false economy going through 3 sets of discs by using decent pads. We're leaning towards Performance Friction discs, standard calipers and RS29s. I just hope the PF discs are tough enough.
Do you happen to know if the CSL discs are any tougher than the standard items?
The problem we've got is not wanting to throw too much money at it, hence no APs, but at the same time it's a false economy going through 3 sets of discs by using decent pads. We're leaning towards Performance Friction discs, standard calipers and RS29s. I just hope the PF discs are tough enough.
Do you happen to know if the CSL discs are any tougher than the standard items?
Edited by e36er on Thursday 11th July 20:40
e36er said:
Thanks for taking the time to post, Alex.
The problem we've got is not wanting to throw too much money at it, hence no APs, but at the same time it's a false economy going through 3 sets of discs by using decent pads. We're leaning towards Performance Friction discs, standard calipers and RS29s. I just hope the PF discs are tough enough.
Do you happen to know if the CSL discs are any tougher than the standard items?
I think with eagle-eye skills on eBay you may be able to upgrade all 4 corners of the car to 4-pot 996 Carrera/997 Carrera/Cayman S/Boxster S within a budget of £1.2kThe problem we've got is not wanting to throw too much money at it, hence no APs, but at the same time it's a false economy going through 3 sets of discs by using decent pads. We're leaning towards Performance Friction discs, standard calipers and RS29s. I just hope the PF discs are tough enough.
Do you happen to know if the CSL discs are any tougher than the standard items?
Edited by e36er on Thursday 11th July 20:40
The CSL front discs are not tougher than the standard discs, but simply bigger. Your total friction surface stays the same, but you increase the leverage by going bigger diameter. However, if you go down the route of fitting front CSL discs, you will need to get your hands on CSL calipers support brackets.
Standard E46 calipers are powerful enough but lack feel.
Try and find a set of AP 6 pots with disks and fit RS29s. Will do 24 hours and feel great. Just make sure disks are the GP5000 pro or the fully floating versions as the road kit ones sold a while ago as a boxed set were very poor quality and would warp in 20 minutes at Oulton.
Alternatively, the standard ATE disks fitted are good enough as long as you change the hoses / fluid and fit decent pads. Otherwise fade city...
Try and find a set of AP 6 pots with disks and fit RS29s. Will do 24 hours and feel great. Just make sure disks are the GP5000 pro or the fully floating versions as the road kit ones sold a while ago as a boxed set were very poor quality and would warp in 20 minutes at Oulton.
Alternatively, the standard ATE disks fitted are good enough as long as you change the hoses / fluid and fit decent pads. Otherwise fade city...
We've got AST 5100s with spring rates the same as Kumho Cup cars (912lb fronts, forgotten what the rears are).
Still not sure what to do about the brakes, we'll try a 40 minute stint at Bedford using standard discs, RBF600, HEL hoses and RS29s. If that fails, we'll have to fork out for some APs. Really hoping they hold up ok!
Still not sure what to do about the brakes, we'll try a 40 minute stint at Bedford using standard discs, RBF600, HEL hoses and RS29s. If that fails, we'll have to fork out for some APs. Really hoping they hold up ok!
Cheburator mk2 said:
I think with eagle-eye skills on eBay you may be able to upgrade all 4 corners of the car to 4-pot 996 Carrera/997 Carrera/Cayman S/Boxster S within a budget of £1.2k
Is that wise, using the braking system from a rear heavy car with a low CG on a front heavy car with a high CG?Gassing Station | UK Club Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff