Cramp
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IroningMan

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10,598 posts

275 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Particularly in the calves, not noticeably worse in hot weather, and a frustratingly frequent trigger for level-one tears.

What's missing from my diet?

smiffy180

6,029 posts

179 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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More water. Salt I usually hear?
Where's hoofy he's normally mr advice smile

Taita

7,994 posts

232 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Nanas

IroningMan

Original Poster:

10,598 posts

275 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Cheers.

I try to keep the water level up, and use NUUN and other electrolyte tabs, but I guess they only go so far.

Salty 'nanas from now on, then.

craggers

2,496 posts

313 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Had painful cramp on left calves when cycling last night - drank plenty of fluid before went out. I was only 2 miles riding when this happen.

It went away eventually tho.

larsson7

327 posts

171 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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You will be magnesium defficent, spray some magnesium chloride on your body
everday, result no more cramps, or muscle twitches.

LordGrover

34,155 posts

241 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Is this exercise related or does it happen when watching telly?

knk

1,340 posts

300 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Probably nothing.

The electrolyte depletion theory has been rightly rebuffed.

knk

1,340 posts

300 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11/muscle-cra...

This is a good start. The series on fatigue is also brilliant stuff.

Kam

grumbledoak

32,565 posts

262 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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IroningMan said:
What's missing from my diet?
IME, salt.

Fozziebear

1,840 posts

169 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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Try S!caps, they work a treat for my running. Combine it with a good electrolyte drink before, during and after

BlackVanDyke

9,932 posts

240 months

Thursday 11th July 2013
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If it's really persistent (more than one evening without stopping) then take it to see a medic - nearly lost my dad about 15 years ago to 'cramp' that turned out to actually be a DVT which in turn became a pulmonary embolism...

IroningMan

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Friday 12th July 2013
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knk said:
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11/muscle-cra...

This is a good start. The series on fatigue is also brilliant stuff.

Kam
Interesting stuff. But not much use for prevention?

IroningMan

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Friday 12th July 2013
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LordGrover said:
Is this exercise related or does it happen when watching telly?
Exercise related. Happens apparently at random after anything between 0.5 and 3 miles of running, can happen after 30-40 minutes on the bike, possibly worse with higher cadence, and a month ago it happened after 30 seconds of skipping. Never happens when walking: I can walk 30 miles a day for three days and have no trace of it.

My calf muscles flutter quietly to themselves, too - generally if I watch the telly after a run/ride.

IroningMan

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Friday 12th July 2013
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BlackVanDyke said:
If it's really persistent (more than one evening without stopping) then take it to see a medic - nearly lost my dad about 15 years ago to 'cramp' that turned out to actually be a DVT which in turn became a pulmonary embolism...
Cripes! Cramps are only transient, but the tears that result if they happen when I'm running can take weeks to clear up.

BlackVanDyke

9,932 posts

240 months

Friday 12th July 2013
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IroningMan said:
BlackVanDyke said:
If it's really persistent (more than one evening without stopping) then take it to see a medic - nearly lost my dad about 15 years ago to 'cramp' that turned out to actually be a DVT which in turn became a pulmonary embolism...
Cripes! Cramps are only transient, but the tears that result if they happen when I'm running can take weeks to clear up.
Much though the recurrences must suck, I'm glad to hear it as it reassures that you've not got something scary going on. Worth coughing up for a few sessions with a sports physio, maybe?

LordGrover

34,155 posts

241 months

Friday 12th July 2013
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IroningMan said:
LordGrover said:
Is this exercise related or does it happen when watching telly?
Exercise related. Happens apparently at random after anything between 0.5 and 3 miles of running, can happen after 30-40 minutes on the bike, possibly worse with higher cadence, and a month ago it happened after 30 seconds of skipping. Never happens when walking: I can walk 30 miles a day for three days and have no trace of it.

My calf muscles flutter quietly to themselves, too - generally if I watch the telly after a run/ride.
I get the aliens under the skin on my calves, no cramp though. hehe
Quinine is supposed to be the best treatment, but potentially side effects. Click.

mattikake

5,110 posts

228 months

Friday 12th July 2013
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Interesting.

I've always been on the side of loss of muscle control as the cause for cramps. While Sodium, Calcium and Magnesium some of the few minerals required to be abundant in the body and therefore, diet, I've always put cramps down to muscle health and motor-neuron function (of which Na, Ca and Mg are needed). But muscle control though good motor-neuron and brain health is something that is learned (indeed one of the first things that begins to grow during initial and good muscle training, long before firmness, strength and size).

I used to get cramps quite a lot as a kid and while I was a desk-bound office slave. Since quitting capitalist dronal life and sorting myself out into a sexual tyrannosaurus, they've gone. smile Only really realised on reading this thread.

Could be diet. Could be muscle health. Could be cognitive health. Probably all three.

IroningMan

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Friday 12th July 2013
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mattikake said:
Interesting.

I've always been on the side of loss of muscle control as the cause for cramps. While Sodium, Calcium and Magnesium some of the few minerals required to be abundant in the body and therefore, diet, I've always put cramps down to muscle health and motor-neuron function (of which Na, Ca and Mg are needed). But muscle control though good motor-neuron and brain health is something that is learned (indeed one of the first things that begins to grow during initial and good muscle training, long before firmness, strength and size).

I used to get cramps quite a lot as a kid and while I was a desk-bound office slave. Since quitting capitalist dronal life and sorting myself out into a sexual tyrannosaurus, they've gone. smile Only really realised on reading this thread.

Could be diet. Could be muscle health. Could be cognitive health. Probably all three.
So you're saying that I need to eat, train and think like you?

Maybe cramp isn't such a high price to pay after all...smile

mattikake

5,110 posts

228 months

Friday 12th July 2013
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Touche!

I've no complaints. Literally. After living with enough to fill a book.

Why not give it a try?