New Vanq II review with Justin Bell

[KarlFranz]

Pretty good review, but even he comments on the slow-shifting gearbox (albeit in a subtle way).

http://youtu.be/pgjYG_pn78s

[AWV12]

KarlFranz said:

Pretty good review, but even he comments on the slow-shifting gearbox (albeit in a subtle way).

http://youtu.be/pgjYG_pn78s

The gearbox will stay slow and classic, until they come with a real deecent gearbox (Manual or Dual Clutch).

[Lunablack]

He used the terms aluminum, and rims....




George

[yeti]

AWV12 said:

The gearbox will stay slow and classic, until they come with a real deecent gearbox (Manual or Dual Clutch).

I think the best we can hope for is the 8 speed ZF unit as used to such great effect in the F-Type (and Bentley GT etc). Apparently AML are well down the queue for them though, but this car should have been launched with it

Not one reviewer has complained about the F-Types auto box. Must be a huge leap forward.

[whoami]

yeti said:

Not one reviewer has complained about the F-Types auto box. Must be a huge leap forward.

It is.

Sadly, it's like night and day compared to what AM has to offer.

[KarlFranz]

I agree. I drove the F-type a couple of weeks ago and as far as automatic transmissions go it is brilliant.

[steveatesh]

yeti said:

I think the best we can hope for is the 8 speed ZF unit as used to such great effect in the F-Type (and Bentley GT etc). Apparently AML are well down the queue for them though, but this car should have been launched with it

Not one reviewer has complained about the F-Types auto box. Must be a huge leap forward.

When you say well down the queue what does that actually mean in terms of the supply side? Is it that ZF can't make enough so those that pay most get the box, or that the box needs modifying to fit the AM engine and they won't pay enough to have that done, or the numbers being talked about are so small it is not worth retooling for when Jag and Bentley are buying enough to keep the line going to capacity, or something else?

I'm curious how come if AM genuinely want the 8 speed box in the car they can't have it?

With Sportshift beng yesterday's box compared to PDK, AM should be setting aside a fair chunk of their available investment budget in the gearbox department. I hope they have enough!

[yeti]

steveatesh said:

Is it that ZF can't make enough so those that pay most get the box... or the numbers being talked about are so small it is not worth retooling for when Jag and Bentley are buying enough to keep the line going to capacity, or something else?

That is my understanding.

The box is I think also in the 7 Series BMW and sevreal other top line cars; they simply don't need AML as a customer at the moment. Let's hope it's nothing more insidious than that...

[George29]

Lunablack said:

He used the terms aluminum, and rims....

George

Haven't watched it yet. What's wrong with aluminium? Unless he says it 'aloominum' in which case he's a knob. As for rims... I'd be less likely to take on board what a car reviewer says if he uses terms like that.

[whoami]

George29 said:

Unless he says it 'aloominum' in which case he's a knob.

He does.

The whole review is cringeworthy.

[AMDBSNick]

yeti said:

That is my understanding.

The box is I think also in the 7 Series BMW and sevreal other top line cars; they simply don't need AML as a customer at the moment. Let's hope it's nothing more insidious than that...

Is it not also in the new RR & Disco

[yeti]

whoami said:

George29 said:

Unless he says it 'aloominum' in which case he's a knob.

He does.

The whole review is cringeworthy.

It's a Brit doing a review for the yanks. If he said Alum-in-ium they wouldn't know what he was on about.

I thought it was rather good. Didn't like his tie though.

[yeti]

AMDBSNick said:

Is it not also in the new RR & Disco

Probably. JLR are a big customer and have secured their supply I guess. Some companies pay their bills y'see...

[whoami]

AMDBSNick said:

yeti said:

That is my understanding.

The box is I think also in the 7 Series BMW and sevreal other top line cars; they simply don't need AML as a customer at the moment. Let's hope it's nothing more insidious than that...

Is it not also in the new RR & Disco

LR also demonstrated a 9 speed version at the Geneva motor show.

[AMDBSNick]

whoami said:

LR also demonstrated a 9 speed version at the Geneva motor show.

Just seen that on the ZF website.

I have a genuine question. Both my Disco and RR have this box. Is this the exact same box that would go in the Vanquish or would there be differences?

[KarlFranz]

whoami said:

George29 said:

Unless he says it 'aloominum' in which case he's a knob.

He does.

The whole review is cringeworthy.

You do realize this "knob" you're referring to is a Brit born in Sussex whose dad is Derek Bell. He (like his dad) has more racing accomplishments in his life than you can ever hope to achieve in your lifetime. Please stop fulfilling the British stereotype with petty comments such as the proper pronunciation/spelling of aluminum.

P.S. his dad won Le Mans five times, the Daytona 24 three times and the World Sportscar Championship twice. He also raced in Formula One for the Ferrari, McLaren, Surtees and Tecno teams.

Edited by KarlFranz on Monday 15th July 15:05

[whoami]

KarlFranz said:

whoami said:

George29 said:

Unless he says it 'aloominum' in which case he's a knob.

He does.

The whole review is cringeworthy.

You do realize this "knob" you're referring to is a Brit born in Sussex whose dad is Derek Bell. He (like his dad) has more racing accomplishments in his life than you can ever hope to achieve in your lifetime. Please stop fulfilling the British stereotype with petty comments such as the proper pronunciation/spelling of aluminum.

Edited by KarlFranz on Monday 15th July 15:01

I'm not sure if you meant to quote me as I didn't refer to him as a knob.

However, I do stand by my remark that the review is cringeworthy.

And yes, I know who he is.

[George29]

KarlFranz said:

You do realize this "knob" you're referring to is a Brit born in Sussex whose dad is Derek Bell. He (like his dad) has more racing accomplishments in his life than you can ever hope to achieve in your lifetime. Please stop fulfilling the British stereotype with petty comments such as the proper pronunciation/spelling of aluminum.

P.S. his dad won Le Mans five times, the Daytona 24 three times and the World Sportscar Championship twice. He also raced in Formula One for the Ferrari, McLaren, Surtees and Tecno teams.

Edited by KarlFranz on Monday 15th July 15:05

If he is English, he should really know how to speak the English language then.

[KarlFranz]

yeti said:

If he said Alum-in-ium they wouldn't know what he was on about.

…and the subtle bigotry of Brits toward Americans continues.

[avinalarf]

KarlFranz said:

…and the subtle bigotry of Brits toward Americans continues.

Not me cousin,I've seen the film with James Cagney singing "I'm a Yankie Doodle Dandy " had me near to tears
By the way cousin, speaking of bigotry why is it so difficult for Brits to get a green card to the States ,we're not even allowed to take part in the green card lotteries.
Apologies for straying off topic.

Edited by avinalarf on Monday 15th July 15:28