Help needed on Gatso
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Doing 45 in a 50 last night, a Gatso flashed me. So I went to the Police station today and it transpires it is temporarily a 30 limit. So bummer I cannot imagine that 45 in 30 will result in anything but a ticket. I have 6 points already so that is really bad news. My wife has offered to pick up the offence. Does anyone know for sure if the Gatso takes a picture of the cabin? There was only myself in the car which is unfortunate, had Jen been there then clearly sitting on the right hand side ...
How clear is the signposting for the 30 limit ? Has it been properly arranged with the local authorities ?
Have a look here www.pepipoo.com/ and trawl through the Speed Plod and The Law section of Pistonheads too. If nothing drops through your letter box in the next 14 days then the Gatso may have been firing blanks anyway.
Have a look here www.pepipoo.com/ and trawl through the Speed Plod and The Law section of Pistonheads too. If nothing drops through your letter box in the next 14 days then the Gatso may have been firing blanks anyway.
I think the forward ones do flash (in fact I'm pretty sure I've seen them do it)
They do so with a coloured flash - think it's a reddy/purple colour, apparently so you don't get blinded and crash into the thing.
As far as I know the only ones that don't are the SPECs type cameras - these are the ones on poles that look like CCTV cameras - they average your speed between two cameras. THere were a load on the M6 during the roadworks and Nottingham has many of them too.
They do so with a coloured flash - think it's a reddy/purple colour, apparently so you don't get blinded and crash into the thing.
As far as I know the only ones that don't are the SPECs type cameras - these are the ones on poles that look like CCTV cameras - they average your speed between two cameras. THere were a load on the M6 during the roadworks and Nottingham has many of them too.
Gixer said:
...GATSO eont have a shot inside the cabin.
To check, was that "GATSO Dont...".
Scenario was a bit more complicated. Dual/triple carriageway. Intersection where road rises to bridge over the circle underneath. The bridge is being repaired and has a clear 30 as you approach. Over the bridge and back onto the triple carriageway the GATSO is about 150 yds further on. I assumed given a clear road the limit returned to 50 (I drive it every night). But, on from that is another exit (mine) again with a "bridge" and beyond that more roadworks that you cannot see and I was not aware of. Thus the fuzz have retained the 30 limit all the way through the clear stretch, over the next bridge and the the next roadworks.
Interestling the plod I spoke to yesterday was cauaht the same as me a couple of weeks back - didn't say if she got a ticket or not!! And the fact that it is 30 has suprised some people at work too. But checking last night there are some small 1ft diameter 30mph signs on the central reservation. I just never saw them, being in the central or inside lane and left hand drive doesnt help, so I suspect I am stuffed.
Gixer said:
Thats right they have only 14 days to send the NIP. It is your legal right to view the photos as well so take it from there. GATSO eont have a shot inside the cabin. The forward facing cameras would but they dont flash.
This was facing me so I guess that is backward facing in your terms?
I'm too am afraid of this scenario. I picked up 6 points recently, but luckily was put down as an SP30 so has not affected my insurance ! Another three and - well I hate to speculate.....
Frustrating that I have 20lites of various American muscle in the garage and have to drive every vehicle as though I am a nun. My ecu's keep throwing up a fault code as they think the throttle cable has been cut !! My point is that it's all too easy to be caught un-aware and through no fault of your own. There is case after case of "reasonable" drivers losing their licenses, livelihoods and even families through "totting-up" points...
I sincerely hope the camera was a dud. I would only use the "wife" get out card if it meant a losing my license... (she doesn't know it yet though)......
Frustrating that I have 20lites of various American muscle in the garage and have to drive every vehicle as though I am a nun. My ecu's keep throwing up a fault code as they think the throttle cable has been cut !! My point is that it's all too easy to be caught un-aware and through no fault of your own. There is case after case of "reasonable" drivers losing their licenses, livelihoods and even families through "totting-up" points...
I sincerely hope the camera was a dud. I would only use the "wife" get out card if it meant a losing my license... (she doesn't know it yet though)......
The same happened to me a couple of years back, same as you it was a 60, but was down to 40, I was doing about 55 as there was cones all over the place.
However nothing came of it...
Was the camera mobile /temporary gatso? or was it a fixed on that is used to measure the 50 limit?
I have a feeling that unless it was really obviously signed and the camera was a Mobile Gatso as the temp limit moves around, then you may be in trouble... But if the Gatso is fixed and just so happens to be there in the middle of the roadworks, it probably needs to be re-calibrated etc and you will probably find that they have just placed it on lower, but not activated it? I hope you have the same fortune as me as it is a bummer these temp limits.
However nothing came of it...
Was the camera mobile /temporary gatso? or was it a fixed on that is used to measure the 50 limit?
I have a feeling that unless it was really obviously signed and the camera was a Mobile Gatso as the temp limit moves around, then you may be in trouble... But if the Gatso is fixed and just so happens to be there in the middle of the roadworks, it probably needs to be re-calibrated etc and you will probably find that they have just placed it on lower, but not activated it? I hope you have the same fortune as me as it is a bummer these temp limits.
try posting under www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?f=10&h=0
there's seems to be a few "friendly" (uses the word sparingly) Police peeps on there who seem to be willing aswer these types of queries....
there's seems to be a few "friendly" (uses the word sparingly) Police peeps on there who seem to be willing aswer these types of queries....
stevieturbo said:
Im sure I read somewhere that you cannot get points for an offence committed inside a temporary limit, unless its on the motorway.
You can be fined however.
Nope, you get points just the same as anywhere else. VHR picked up 4 points and a fine for exceeding a stupid temporary 40 limit on a dual carriageway when they were building the Silverstone bypass.
yellowshark454 said:
Doing 45 in a 50 last night, a Gatso flashed me.
If it was a white flash in front of you then you could well be safe as it was probably snapping someone going the other way. White flash is only legal for use from behind due to the danger of blinding oncoming drivers, and those speed cameras using it are only calibrated for traffic moving away from them.
If it was a magenta coloured flash in front of you then you've got to sweat it out a bit.
Was it a single flash or a double flash ?
te51cle said:
Doing 45 in a 50 last night, a Gatso flashed me.
If it was a white flash in front of you then you could well be safe as it was probably snapping someone going the other way. White flash is only legal for use from behind due to the danger of blinding oncoming drivers, and those speed cameras using it are only calibrated for traffic moving away from them.
If it was a magenta coloured flash in front of you then you've got to sweat it out a bit.
Was it a single flash or a double flash ?
Interesting, this post + Gixer's might mean I am OK. It was a single flash and I would say (90% sure) it was whit/blue, not magenta but it all happened so quickly... Definitely single flash though
gsmcoverage said:
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Was the camera mobile /temporary gatso? or was it a fixed on that is used to measure the 50 limit?
I have a feeling that unless it was really obviously signed and the camera was a Mobile Gatso as the temp limit moves around, then you may be in trouble... But if the Gatso is fixed and just so happens to be there in the middle of the roadworks, it probably needs to be re-calibrated etc and you will probably find that they have just placed it on lower, but not activated it? I hope you have the same fortune as me as it is a bummer these temp limits.
No it was fixed Gatso, ie life as normal. I checked last night and there is not one single speed limit sign down the lefthand side, ie the pavement side, Just a couple of 1ft signs on the central reservation so to speak. So I am going back this week end with my camera to take some prparatory photos. You would have thought that with a triple lane highway they should have put up at least 1 3ft red against a white background 30mph sign to make it obvious.
I was caught by a single flash from a GATSO a few years ago up on the A68. I was told at the time that a single flash was a warning. Supposedly, the system works on one flash followed by a second to calibrate position against the marks on the road; ergo your speed. Never had that confirmed but I didn't get a ticket at the time. It sure slowed me down for the rest of the trip!
One flash and you may be OK.
One flash and you may be OK.
te51cle said:
Nope, you get points just the same as anywhere else. VHR picked up 4 points and a fine for exceeding a stupid temporary 40 limit on a dual carriageway when they were building the Silverstone bypass.
Several thousand people picked up points on a stretch of road in Wales ( i think )where a camera was placed just inside a 70 zone, and flashing cars in that same zone.
However it was flashing cars speeding above 40mph, and sending NIP's accordingly.
A few people contested it and won. The other few thousand have no knowleddge of the injustice, and the local council has no intentions of telling them.
There was a link on a few forums about this a few months ago.
See this link, re-temporary limits. It clearly says it is a non-endorsable offence, except on a motorway, or dual carriageway.
www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_Home/SpeedVSFines/SpeedVSFines.htm
stevieturbo said:
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See this link, re-temporary limits. It clearly says it is a non-endorsable offence, except on a motorway, or dual carriageway.
www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_Home/SpeedVSFines/SpeedVSFines.htm
It also says "This information is in some dispute at the moment, but came from a traffic officer undergoing basic traffic training so I have no reason to believe that it's false." so it is hardly definitive. Anyway, it is of no help to Pete as, unfortunately, he was on a dual carriageway at the tiem.
Friend of mine put his 86 year old mum down as driving ! - Merc CLK as well !! haha
Another mate said it was in for a valet at the time , and included the valet invoice...
Another friend stuck down his mates address in Florida
Same trick with the holiday home in spain ....
Obviously i would never condone any of the above !
Another mate said it was in for a valet at the time , and included the valet invoice...
Another friend stuck down his mates address in Florida
Same trick with the holiday home in spain ....
Obviously i would never condone any of the above !
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