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I have sold my Tuscan 2 S and in a few months my BMW 535D. My plan is to then buy a 911 as my everyday car. I have kids 10, 8 and 5 who will need to travel with me now and then. I like the lines of the Carrera 4 S and could get a good spec low mileage for £50K but my heart really wants an older Turbo S. Also if I did get a Carrera S should I get a 2S .. is the 4S heavier and is the 2S more fun to drive?
Jonny TVR said:
I have sold my Tuscan 2 S and in a few months my BMW 535D. My plan is to then buy a 911 as my everyday car. I have kids 10, 8 and 5 who will need to travel with me now and then. I like the lines of the Carrera 4 S and could get a good spec low mileage for £50K but my heart really wants an older Turbo S. Also if I did get a Carrera S should I get a 2S .. is the 4S heavier and is the 2S more fun to drive?
I think the Carrera S is the 997 shape and the 2S is the 993 shape (someone will correct me if I am wrong)I think you should go for the 997 turbo with your budget as coming from a Tuscan S the 2wd and 4wd 'standard' models will seem a little slow.
As a side note, with kids aged 10,8 and 5 maybe you should get a test drive in any modern 911 to see if they fit first.
V8KSN said:
I think the Carrera S is the 997 shape and the 2S is the 993 shape (someone will correct me if I am wrong)
You're wrong 
Porsche have never actually named a car a Carrera 2 S. They used Carrera 2 on the 964, to distinguish it from the newly introduced Carrera 4. but subsequent models have never had the "2" in their model name, despite often being referred to as such.
The important bits of info you were probably meaning are:
993 - Carrera S and Carrera 4S both wide (turbo) body - same 3.6 engine as narrow bodied cars
996 - no Carrera S made
- Carrera 4S wide (turbo) body - same 3.6 engine as narrow bodied cars
997 - 3.6 Carrera AND 3.8 Carrera S - both narrow body
- 3.6 Carrera 4 AND 3.8 Carrera 4 S - both wide body
As said - check your children fit... If a 911 is going to be your only car it may be worth going Carrera4, 4S or turbo for the practicality of 4WD during the winter. They say that a 4WD 911 with winter tyres is just about unstoppable in the snow, if that is going to be important to you. Probably not necessary as I type this!
FarQue said:
As said - check your children fit... If a 911 is going to be your only car it may be worth going Carrera4, 4S or turbo for the practicality of 4WD during the winter. They say that a 4WD 911 with winter tyres is just about unstoppable in the snow, if that is going to be important to you. Probably not necessary as I type this!
This^^, but overall, the winter tyres is the key bit for snow, the 4wd would be a nice to have but not necessarythegoose said:
You're wrong
Porsche have never actually named a car a Carrera 2 S. They used Carrera 2 on the 964, to distinguish it from the newly introduced Carrera 4. but subsequent models have never had the "2" in their model name, despite often being referred to as such.
The important bits of info you were probably meaning are:
993 - Carrera S and Carrera 4S both wide (turbo) body - same 3.6 engine as narrow bodied cars
996 - no Carrera S made
- Carrera 4S wide (turbo) body - same 3.6 engine as narrow bodied cars
997 - 3.6 Carrera AND 3.8 Carrera S - both narrow body
- 3.6 Carrera 4 AND 3.8 Carrera 4 S - both wide body
Was there a 997 Carrera 4 - thought they only did the widebody 4S. Porsche have never actually named a car a Carrera 2 S. They used Carrera 2 on the 964, to distinguish it from the newly introduced Carrera 4. but subsequent models have never had the "2" in their model name, despite often being referred to as such.
The important bits of info you were probably meaning are:
993 - Carrera S and Carrera 4S both wide (turbo) body - same 3.6 engine as narrow bodied cars
996 - no Carrera S made
- Carrera 4S wide (turbo) body - same 3.6 engine as narrow bodied cars
997 - 3.6 Carrera AND 3.8 Carrera S - both narrow body
- 3.6 Carrera 4 AND 3.8 Carrera 4 S - both wide body
I have a 997.1 C4S which I think is great and love the wider rear. Coming form Tuscans, T350 and then Lotus Atoms Caterham I'm happy that it isn't as quick. The 4S is very similar tot he S it just won't over steer a easily. Steering feels fine for me. I think the weight penalty is next to naff all.
Jonny TVR said:
I don't do much snow driving!
Are they 4's heavier/ less entertaining to drive?
Sightly heavier (for obvious reasons!).Are they 4's heavier/ less entertaining to drive?
Some people would argue that the extra weight over the front wheels reduces the under steer of the 2WD car, and with ESP off (or on) car is fun to drive - if you are after huge slides then probably public roads are not the best place for that!
Jonny TVR said:
I don't do much snow driving!
Are they 4's heavier/ less entertaining to drive?
A bit heavier, yes. Basically the feel of the drive is a little different. There's an argument that the extra weight over the front might give you more grip, but really there's not a lot in it. For one, I had faaaaar more understeer in my 996 C4S on track than I get in my current 993 C2 on track. The 4wd on 996 and earlier cars is "passive" and doesn't really make a difference until you're actually sliding the back of the car (which arguably you probably shouldn't be doing on a road too much Are they 4's heavier/ less entertaining to drive?
) and there's a speed differential between front and rear.For 997s and onwards (might be 997.2s and onwards) the car itself actually shuffles drive around actively from memory.
Mario149 said:
A bit heavier, yes. Basically the feel of the drive is a little different. There's an argument that the extra weight over the front might give you more grip, but really there's not a lot in it. For one, I had faaaaar more understeer in my 996 C4S on track than I get in my current 993 C2 on track. The 4wd on 996 and earlier cars is "passive" and doesn't really make a difference until you're actually sliding the back of the car (which arguably you probably shouldn't be doing on a road too much ) and there's a speed differential between front and rear.
For 997s and onwards (might be 997.2s and onwards) the car itself actually shuffles drive around actively from memory.
The 997 4S is basically a rear wheel drive car until the sensors detect slip and direct power to the front axle.) and there's a speed differential between front and rear.For 997s and onwards (might be 997.2s and onwards) the car itself actually shuffles drive around actively from memory.
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