What is the BiB's view.....
Discussion
of a parent who drags their child to a police station and ask the Bib to tear a strip off the kid for something like stealing.
I think this used to happen a lot in times gone by, but is it still a useful exercise?
Or, given the time pressures BiB are under, do they see it as a total waste of time?
What do parents think? Is it something you would do?
I think this used to happen a lot in times gone by, but is it still a useful exercise?
Or, given the time pressures BiB are under, do they see it as a total waste of time?
What do parents think? Is it something you would do?
My son nicked a packet of cigarettes from my Dad's shop when he was 11. I took him to the police station and they went to town on him. Fingerprints (that they gave me afterwards), put him in a cell, slammed doors, dragged him round by the collar. He was in there for about half an hour and came out ashen faced. They put all their tallest biggest coppers on him, all with the full gear on.
He will never ever steal again.
The desk sergeant said that she wished more parents would do that.
He will never ever steal again.
The desk sergeant said that she wished more parents would do that.
millsee said:Can see the benefit of this no question, but in the modern pc PC world would your local nick ever dare do this again? I'm thinking...kid goes to school...teacher overhears conversation with mate...talks to child about 'rights' and ECHR 'cruel/inhuman/degrading' treatment...£££ signs appear...teacher as appropriate adult...local nick gets brown paper envelope...BiB, tell me this couldn't happen
My son nicked a packet of cigarettes from my Dad's shop when he was 11. I took him to the police station and they went to town on him. Fingerprints (that they gave me afterwards), put him in a cell, slammed doors, dragged him round by the collar. He was in there for about half an hour and came out ashen faced. They put all their tallest biggest coppers on him, all with the full gear on.
He will never ever steal again.
The desk sergeant said that she wished more parents would do that.
You have to be very careful as a BiB now....far too much backfires on you....
I remember when I was a Community Bobby and I bollocked a load of kids who had been playing football in the street and had damaged some flowers. There were a couple of offences which they could have been done for...but I thought a bollocking would do the trick without these normally good kids getting a criminal record.
Result: parents complained that I had frightened their kids. My gaffer said..."If they've done owt. Lock em up. If not...don't waste your breath"
Street
I remember when I was a Community Bobby and I bollocked a load of kids who had been playing football in the street and had damaged some flowers. There were a couple of offences which they could have been done for...but I thought a bollocking would do the trick without these normally good kids getting a criminal record.
Result: parents complained that I had frightened their kids. My gaffer said..."If they've done owt. Lock em up. If not...don't waste your breath"
Street
Streetcop said:
You have to be very careful as a BiB now....far too much backfires on you....
I remember when I was a Community Bobby and I bollocked a load of kids who had been playing football in the street and had damaged some flowers. There were a couple of offences which they could have been done for...but I thought a bollocking would do the trick without these normally good kids getting a criminal record.
Result: parents complained that I had frightened their kids. My gaffer said..."If they've done owt. Lock em up. If not...don't waste your breath"
Street
Indeed - you have to be careful in medical profession and teaching profession as well ...
Children can do "no wrong"..
And fail them on an exam ..... far too cruel. But really it is - building them up so that when failure or they have run of bad luck, illness - they just cannot cope at all.
Our kids - sure they "test" us, try to push to boundaries and extend them - which we expect and we are relatively flexible - and they get firm but fair discipline....
I have no argument with a teacher or even a BiB telling them off over something or other. They would get a further telling off and a disciplinary sanction from both me and Wildy.
turbobloke said:
Children can do "no wrong"..
Especially if your name is HArry and you go to a top school, allegedly
Bet more of that goes on than we actually know about - do not understand why - those exams are a doddle... I know - I am worried about the next generation of doctors - none of the bunch I have on placement inpire me with great confidence - and I am being the old nit picking, demanding "heavy"
according to them .
) millsee said:
My son nicked a packet of cigarettes from my Dad's shop when he was 11. I took him to the police station and they went to town on him. Fingerprints (that they gave me afterwards), put him in a cell, slammed doors, dragged him round by the collar. He was in there for about half an hour and came out ashen faced. They put all their tallest biggest coppers on him, all with the full gear on.
He will never ever steal again.
The desk sergeant said that she wished more parents would do that.
How long ago was this?
Still happens. As a custody sergeant I have administered many a said bollocking. I consider myself to have failed if kid does not end up in tears. If parent consents, I'll lock them in a cell for a few minutes. That said, if we're too busy, parent will have to wait.
I think there is far too much nonsense talked about people sueing for this and that. Mrs. XXPLOD is a solicitor. Deals mainly with medical negligence. One fact people should be aware of: There are fewer claims for damages being made against the NHS now than 10 years ago.
As for trying to get compensation for telling a child off, it simply would not happen. Chavparent may well complain, but they will ultimately be told where to get off. Many a chavdad has bowled in to the nick demanding to see his precious chavkid, who of course has done no wrong. Very often he ends up with a compromise. The next door cell.
I think there is far too much nonsense talked about people sueing for this and that. Mrs. XXPLOD is a solicitor. Deals mainly with medical negligence. One fact people should be aware of: There are fewer claims for damages being made against the NHS now than 10 years ago.
As for trying to get compensation for telling a child off, it simply would not happen. Chavparent may well complain, but they will ultimately be told where to get off. Many a chavdad has bowled in to the nick demanding to see his precious chavkid, who of course has done no wrong. Very often he ends up with a compromise. The next door cell.
xxplod said:
As for trying to get compensation for telling a child off, it simply would not happen. Chavparent may well complain, but they will ultimately be told where to get off. Many a chavdad has bowled in to the nick demanding to see his precious chavkid, who of course has done no wrong. Very often he ends up with a compromise. The next door cell.
If that really is the case then I don't think there is a person here that has not breathed a sigh of relief that that can still be true.
Streetcop said:
You have to be very careful as a BiB now....far too much backfires on you....
I remember when I was a Community Bobby and I bollocked a load of kids who had been playing football in the street and had damaged some flowers. There were a couple of offences which they could have been done for...but I thought a bollocking would do the trick without these normally good kids getting a criminal record.
Result: parents complained that I had frightened their kids. My gaffer said..."If they've done owt. Lock em up. If not...don't waste your breath"
Street
I can understand your attitude. I don't want to get into a rant about how juvenile behaviour and parental attitudes have deteriorated. However, when I was a lad, I know that if I had arrived home and told my father that a Policeman had clipped me round the ear and given me a bollocking, his immediate reaction would have been to tell me I must have desrved it. I'd add that I wasn't a particularly troublesome kid.
I know from recent experience that when I've politely approached parents (in a good area) to let them know about the loutish behavour of their children, all I've received is a bad attitude. Isn't it obvious where the children get their attitudes from?
millsee said:
My son nicked a packet of cigarettes from my Dad's shop when he was 11. I took him to the police station and they went to town on him. Fingerprints (that they gave me afterwards), put him in a cell, slammed doors, dragged him round by the collar. He was in there for about half an hour and came out ashen faced. They put all their tallest biggest coppers on him, all with the full gear on.
He will never ever steal again.
The desk sergeant said that she wished more parents would do that.
Well, I don't know the timescale on this but a cop doing this now would be absolutely crucified for the "dragged him round by the collar". This is child abuse.
Nor can the parents give permission for the Police to abuse their child.
xxplod said:
Still happens. As a custody sergeant I have administered many a said bollocking. I consider myself to have failed if kid does not end up in tears. If parent consents, I'll lock them in a cell for a few minutes. That said, if we're too busy, parent will have to wait.
I think there is far too much nonsense talked about people sueing for this and that. Mrs. XXPLOD is a solicitor. Deals mainly with medical negligence. One fact people should be aware of: There are fewer claims for damages being made against the NHS now than 10 years ago.
As for trying to get compensation for telling a child off, it simply would not happen. Chavparent may well complain, but they will ultimately be told where to get off. Many a chavdad has bowled in to the nick demanding to see his precious chavkid, who of course has done no wrong. Very often he ends up with a compromise. The next door cell.
Well, it's false imprisonment, unless he/she has actually done something.
Also, what the "parents say" is irrelevant. A parent cannot give permission for the Police to do something illegal to their child. (Children's rights).
"Bollocking" as you call it, is not accepted either. I have known the police to accuse people of "verbal abuse" or "verbal belittling".
I'm playing devils advocate here. I think it's absolute crap, I'd far rather see my children terrorised by the Police at 11 than locked up at 16. (though it doesn't always work).
ca092003 said:
How long ago was this?
About 3 or 4 years ago.
autismuk said:
Well, I don't know the timescale on this but a cop doing this now would be absolutely crucified for the "dragged him round by the collar". This is child abuse.
Nor can the parents give permission for the Police to abuse their child.
I use the collar as an analogy, but even if he had, it wouldn't be child abuse in the slightest.
It is this sort of lefty claptrap that is the scurge of modern society.
Just placed a post in the General Forum about a Cumbrian school's use of two way mirror in class...
for discussion.
Appears to have wiped out bad behaviour
Anyway read in tabloid that police chiefs plan to film the hooligans with camcorders and then show the footage to their parents.
Now this is much better use of a camera - better than hair dryers!
Scheme "Frame and Shame" is aimed at cutting anti-social behaviour and shocking parents into exercising more control ...
Chav Parent?
Being shocked Wanna bet? Normal folks, admittedly, would be shocked and ashamed that their child is a twazak - but Chavparent? .... hmmm 
Norfolk police have used this in Diss and plan to use this in rural areas where yobs terrorise small towns at weekends....
One hopes that if one films them all getting arrested - and maybe this will also clear police of using unnecessary force - or even prevent "red mist" on their part
If a success - scheme will go national.
Norfolk Acting Inspector Gina H says "We are particularly interested in children who are showing signs of early criminal behaviour! - and best way to deal with them is to film them "at it" and then show the footage to their parents, hopefully detrring a further plans to spiral into a career criminal.
"We tried it out in Diss last Friday - and it appears to have worked"
Bit early to draw concrete conclusions
Youngsters were left in no doubt that the police were fliming them and no incidents were reported.
Insp H added "These cameras are not hidden - they are in your face to show we are recording them - and that we are in areas not covered by CCTV"
A headteacher is running vigilante video patrols to catch thugs vandalising his school. Head of a Burgess Hill school decided to use camera squads after yobs started to run riot in the area - he adds "Thugs really hate being filmed"
But then - does not stop them from raiding Building societies as we see each month on "Crime Watch"
for discussion. Appears to have wiped out bad behaviour
Anyway read in tabloid that police chiefs plan to film the hooligans with camcorders and then show the footage to their parents.
Now this is much better use of a camera - better than hair dryers!
Scheme "Frame and Shame" is aimed at cutting anti-social behaviour and shocking parents into exercising more control ...
Chav Parent?
Being shocked Wanna bet? Normal folks, admittedly, would be shocked and ashamed that their child is a twazak - but Chavparent? .... hmmm Norfolk police have used this in Diss and plan to use this in rural areas where yobs terrorise small towns at weekends....
One hopes that if one films them all getting arrested - and maybe this will also clear police of using unnecessary force - or even prevent "red mist" on their part
If a success - scheme will go national.
Norfolk Acting Inspector Gina H says "We are particularly interested in children who are showing signs of early criminal behaviour! - and best way to deal with them is to film them "at it" and then show the footage to their parents, hopefully detrring a further plans to spiral into a career criminal.
"We tried it out in Diss last Friday - and it appears to have worked"
Bit early to draw concrete conclusions
Youngsters were left in no doubt that the police were fliming them and no incidents were reported.
Insp H added "These cameras are not hidden - they are in your face to show we are recording them - and that we are in areas not covered by CCTV"
A headteacher is running vigilante video patrols to catch thugs vandalising his school. Head of a Burgess Hill school decided to use camera squads after yobs started to run riot in the area - he adds "Thugs really hate being filmed"
But then - does not stop them from raiding Building societies as we see each month on "Crime Watch"
Pickled Piper said:
However, when I was a lad, I know that if I had arrived home and told my father that a Policeman had clipped me round the ear and given me a bollocking, his immediate reaction would have been to tell me I must have desrved it. I'd add that I wasn't a particularly troublesome kid.
Same here - used to get into trouble at school over this and that - nothing serious - just the usual cheek, not handing in homework, talking in class and such... and if ticked off by teacher (and if it had been a cop) - immediate reaction was - "What did you do? You deservedit and then I'd get another ticking off and even a spanking.
Wildy's folks took same attitude too.
Pickled Piper said:
I know from recent experience that when I've politely approached parents (in a good area) to let them know about the loutish behavour of their children, all I've received is a bad attitude. Isn't it obvious where the children get their attitudes from?
I know - you are just not allowed to criticise. Had same problem when I have ticked off - fairly mildly
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