Rocker cover gaskets
Rocker cover gaskets
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Spanish S2

Original Poster:

341 posts

161 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Might seem like a daft question, but how often do you guy's change the rocker cover gasket's? I know you can periodically tighten up the cover's a little. Mine were last done 3 year's ago. The S doe's not lose hardly any oil.

Maffe

479 posts

288 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

Standard answer wink

phillpot

17,509 posts

212 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Many years ago when I worked at a Ford Main dealer it was practice to change rocker cover gaskets every time rocker cover(s) came off, so basically every service when valve clearances were checked.
there were inevitably one or two less scruplulous mechanics who would just change the gasket to make it look as if tappets had been done, there again the average "rep" probably never even opened the bonnet between services to see a new gasket, filter or anything else!


When it is your own hard earnt money it is quite possible to get away with re-fitting them a few times, particularly if you have genuine Ford/Motorcraft gaskets because they have little alluminium inserts to help prevent over-tightening.


Top Gear TVR

2,251 posts

183 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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definitely use use the OE ones with the spaces smile

tvrgit

8,489 posts

281 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Maffe said:
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

Standard answer wink
Exactly.

Mine has hydraulic tappets, so there's no regular valve adjustment. I bought two OE gaskets years ago (I moved house 4 years ago and it was long before that) and have never used them - they don't leak so they get left alone.

markbigears

2,485 posts

298 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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What sort if job is it to fit both sides on the DIY scale?

tvrgit

8,489 posts

281 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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markbigears said:
What sort if job is it to fit both sides on the DIY scale?
left hand one is easy - remove the oil cap, shift a couple of hoses out of the way, unbolt and remove. The cover might need a thump with a lump of wood to break the seal, but that's it. Don't drop any bolts or the "spreaders" under the bolts, into the engine, obviously.

the right hand one is more awkward - you have to take the alternator off first - it's not hard, but fiddly. I would take the whole alternator and bracket off as one - two 13mm bolts in front, one 17mm bolt (I think) at the back.

When you replace the covers, you don't tighten them up much at all - just enough to nip it all together. Any torque will squash a non-OE gasket out between the two faces. As said above, the OE gaskets have tiny spacers to prevent this, but even then, don't over-tighten.

phillpot

17,509 posts

212 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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tvrgit said:
- you have to take the alternator off first -
Don't forget to disconnect the battery, that big cable going to the alternator is permament live = plenty sparks if it touches anything!

tvrgit

8,489 posts

281 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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phillpot said:
Don't forget to disconnect the battery, that big cable going to the alternator is permament live = plenty sparks if it touches anything!
I started to write a "step-by-step" starting with "pull the lever and open the bonnet", but decided not to patronise, but to assume some level of proficiency.

phillpot

17,509 posts

212 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Never assume anything biggrin



Op may have assumed all electrics "dead" when ignition is off ?

tvrgit

8,489 posts

281 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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phillpot said:
Never assume anything biggrin



Op may have assumed all electrics "dead" when ignition is off ?
I'll start the next one with "get your mummy to take you to the shops to buy some spanners, rubber gloves and some wrap-round Oakleys that look like trendy safety specs".

And "remember to open the garage door high enough so that you don't bump your head walking in".



GadgeS3C

4,727 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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tvrgit said:
I'll start the next one with "get your mummy to take you to the shops to buy some spanners, rubber gloves and some wrap-round Oakleys that look like trendy safety specs".

And "remember to open the garage door high enough so that you don't bump your head walking in".
That reminds me of the time I was adjusting the headlamp alignment on my bike. Couldn't work out why the lamp was so dim (working in the dark garage with the door shut as it was a sunny day) - until I realised I was still wearing my sunglasses...



S2Mike

3,065 posts

179 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Well I have just learned something new, the permanent live cable on the alternator. I must have had a close call there then, while adjusting tappets.
Just slipped the brackets off and rested it on the manifold. yikes
Will remember that for next time.

phillpot

17,509 posts

212 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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I rest my case wink

tvrgit

8,489 posts

281 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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phillpot said:
I rest my case wink
Your point is fairly made and supported, sir.

I would like to change my previous advice from "removing the rocker covers is a piece of piss" to "don't do it, it's fraught with danger. Apart from the possibility of electrocuting yourself, setting the car, garage, house, whole street and then whole town up in a blazing inferno, mangling your hands in the alternator blades, poisoning yourself by licking overspilt oil off the cylinder heads (and possibly electrocuting yourself again if the engine is running at the time), gassing yourself by running the engine in the garage to see if the gaskets have sealed, holding a spanner in your teeth and inadvertently swallowing it when you bang your head on the bonnet, slicing your fingers off with a gasket scraper - apart from all that, there's also the possibility that the new feckin gaskets won't give a better seal anyway. Don't do it. Not ever. Leave it to a specialist - it might seem expensive but have you seen how much an air ambulance costs? Working on cars is too feckin dangerous, don't try it at home children."

There, that should cover it.

tvrgit, preparing to change a headlamp trim, yesterday:


S2Mike

3,065 posts

179 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Bl**dy Hell I never saw you in my garden with the camera...
I must have been too busy getting my thumb out from being jammed in a plug hole... ! laugh

GadgeS3C

4,727 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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S2Mike said:
Bl**dy Hell I never saw you in my garden with the camera...
I must have been too busy getting my thumb out from being jammed in a plug hole... ! laugh
Easily solved - just spin the starter wink

phillpot

17,509 posts

212 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Of course if the op has carried out a full risk assessment and followed his method statement correctly there should be no problems at all smile

Top Gear TVR

2,251 posts

183 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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This country has fear issues. I find that picture terrifying!