LMP style kit thread removed

[craig7l]

What happened to the aero master lmp kit thread... I was interested in thaw way that went...????

[Big Al.]

IIRC it was deemed as an advert and removed.

HTH.

[gudgeonpin]

Website is below :

www.aero-master.com

That car is stunning - and rather infuriating that it is made in Bulgaria.. would love to see it up close to see more of how it built / running gear / engine options etc.

The fact it is 'inspired' (!) by one of my favourite LMP cars is an added bonus of course - would look lovely sprayed in dark metallic green...

[ridds]

Cabin size is tiny and there's far too much bodywork behind the driver. Proportions are all wrong in teh engine cover area imho.

[ezakimak]

i had some ledgidiment questions that i wanted answered damit.

also, if you were a new company starting up, why wouldnt you sell individual components on somewhere like ebay to establish a customer base and good will?

[ezakimak]

If the second post by the OP was edited or removed, the one showing the windscreens, then it probably wouldnt be to bad. i think that was the one the steered it towards advertising.

if that post hadnt of been there then i would have phrased my post differently. I would be willing to edit my post should the thread return. there was some good photos in there that i would like to see again.

regards Ryan

[Artstu]

ezakimak said:

why wouldnt you sell individual components on somewhere like ebay

It isn't the sort of thing you'd sell cheaply on ebay. It's like asking Ultima to sell some of their car body parts on ebay.

[hedgefinder]

bit of an odd marketing video, doesnt seem to show the car doing anything over 30mph on track... i would be more interested in someone doing a decent track test on the car to see how it measures up as that is after all where it would likely be used. I cant see it passing sva over here in that form.

[craig7l]

Based on what I've seen, AND a follow up to view what's been built already... I would take a PUNT at the advertised prices... But for a show trackday machine only project.... something to do.......Forget iva and the road...pointless...
BUT...
Based on the company having the goods in stock, pay and ship with me in Bulgaria seeing the stuff on my chosen transport method.... Me and an enclosed trailer.....
I believe the original poster bobi has been banned.

[ezakimak]

Artstu said:

It isn't the sort of thing you'd sell cheaply on ebay. It's like asking Ultima to sell some of their car body parts on ebay.

Let me try and re word my thoughts in the form of a hypothetical situation.

I as a purchaser see a new company turn up online with a new product that they are purporting to sell and make available to the general public. After doing research i can find no evidence of any existing customers or of the quality of the goods other than the promotional material made available by the company. what would be the best way for me as a purchaser to insure that i am not going to loose my money by either not receiving a product, receiving damaged products, or receiving a product that is of inferior quality that does not meet the expectations purported by the advertising material. I live in Melbourne Australia and am unable to visit the manufacturer for reasons of distance.

I was thinking that it may be wise to order 1 or some item initially from the company to confirm that they are able to deliver and deliver a quality product.

i have had friends get GRP seats shipped from the UK at reasonable prices

[image removed by Ezakimak as he sees thread is being moderated and does not want to rock the boat]

Im guessing items such as these above could be packaged and shipped without to much trouble.

if a single sale such as this was done via ebay then there would be a formal process should items not be as described and a public record of the transaction that would help a new company when initially starting up. i would think this would be of imminence value to them?

I don't think that something like this would be of much benefit to a company like Ultima Sports as they already have a proven track record with many customers world wide. however that's not to say that it is not possible for them to sell stuff on ebay. i imagine that they could move a few of the rear wings or RC cars if they tried.

Ryan

Edited by ezakimak on Tuesday 23 July 12:03

[craig7l]

Sorry Ryan I don't agree with your train of thought.....
A. Ebay is full of bullst anyway
b. selling legit bits off ebay is part and parcel of giving a potentially fraudulent company false credibility

I'm not saying this is the case here at all, and I'm not saying your just saying about the ebay thing so you can pick and choose a few bits....

What I am saying is from past experience I would only buy exworks from a " start up" company after viewing a finished ( or very near finished) product.... It looks like a very near finished product ( well its a runner :-)
so let me know when the bits are ready to be collected on the shelf...

[ezakimak]

thanks Craig

[GTRCLIVE]

Interesting car, Big Respect for the guys work on the body work, there's lots of hours there getting to that stage. Also being fully financed by himself with no investors and therefor low over heads I can fully respect that to... But for me it has to be road Based to sell and with only room for one seat and no ground clearance its maybe aiming at a very narrow market, even more narrow than what exists for say RCR SLC / Ultima GTR stile cars... Best of luck to them

[dom9]

Very interesting car...

Would prefer the more 'traditional' Group C looks but this is a great project.

If someone takes a punt, would love to see a build thread and more details!

Go on, Craig, you know you want to!

[craig7l]

^^^^ Well I have the 4.2 Audi v8 engine that we believe is a purr fect fit....haha

So it's either buy another radical for some serious proven racing or build this as a project for ermmmmm the hell of it.... Actually the other choice was the roadrunner LM1.....

[dom9]

I'd definitely be interested in seeing you build one of these... I've talked to Fran again about a 962 replica as I've got a load of cash floating about from an investment house and nowhere to put it...

I know you had 'issues' with the SLC but I'm in the US and wouldn't have an expectation of making it road legal... Although that could be a longterm project?!

The car in this thread isn't 'beautiful' to my eye but it looks like a proper weapon and I'm a big fan of closed cockpit cars!

The Audi engine is a peach... I'd like something nice and compact, maybe even the V10...

[ezakimak]

GTRCLIVE said:

Interesting car, Big Respect for the guys work on the body work, there's lots of hours there getting to that stage. Also being fully financed by himself with no investors and therefor low over heads I can fully respect that to... But for me it has to be road Based to sell and with only room for one seat and no ground clearance its maybe aiming at a very narrow market, even more narrow than what exists for say RCR SLC / Ultima GTR stile cars... Best of luck to them

you have hit the nail on the head there Clive.
how livable would it be, where could you realistically use it. even if it was road legal, would you realy want to drive it on the road? ground clerance, suspension travel, optics out of heavily curve windscreen would be like trying to drive with a gold fish bowl for glasses. I believe that the original prototype for which that car was based made somewhere around 1000kg of downforce. even if they have done a completely half assred job of it, given the plan area, how much is it likely to generate by virture of its basic shape! i doubt its going to be much below 500kg. this is then going to have to be factored into the spring rate which is going to make the suspension supper stiff. this may be one of the reasons why the promo vid shown was at what looked like a slow speed. if the body atachment points would were not strong enough and or the springs had been calculated based on minimal downforce then that would limit the atainable speed.


in my mind, to build it as a street car, its going to be a single seater, questionable windscreen optics for street use, compromised suspension design thats probably not going to work to well on most road surfaces, wheel arches that are going to look funny because its sitting too high, terible aproach angles that are going to be painfull going into any drive way, compromised in every way to the point where you would not be able to achieve the full potential of the design.

to build it as an out and out replica of the original would be very cool. it would certainly be something to experiance on a track. just think somewhere around 1000kg wet, 10" wide slicks on each corner, 1000kg downforce, 500hp out of an audi v8 it would be an enjoyable steer and epic project. the latter is what i would do.

Huge repect to the developers for getting that far and the quality of the work. i had a good look at the stuff i have been able to find and was very impresed with the process as well as the finished project thus far.


Ryan

[craig7l]

I would think making this street usable and road reg would be a non starter.

Like you say Ryan a very cool replica that I'm sure would go...or with required on track development and changes could be made to go ......ok ---- well---- or good.....
A lot of fun on a trackday for sure even if it only made the ok status and a fun project to build.

[dom9]

craig7l said:

I would think making this street usable and road reg would be a non starter.

Like you say Ryan a very cool replica that I'm sure would go...or with required on track development and changes could be made to go ......ok ---- well---- or good.....
A lot of fun on a trackday for sure even if it only made the ok status and a fun project to build.

Yeah, it doesn't look worth trying to get it road registered but that would DEFINITELY be the coolest toy at any trackday!

Could be a lot of fun! Go on, Craig - you know you want to!

[craig7l]

I've been in contact and they are currently putting the Audi lump into the car. For a matter of a flight I would go and see it in Bulgaria.
If then I was satisfied with its potential I would give my word and a £100 deposit on an order pay and collect basis, which they have stated a 30day lead time on the kit.
My days of 50% up front are well and truly over.

I have all 3d cad scanned files of my Aspira F620 suspension that also uses corvette hubs etc so I am sure could be integrated as billet into this project.