Exchanging obscure currency - Kwanza
Exchanging obscure currency - Kwanza
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Corpulent Tosser

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5,468 posts

276 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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My question is, does any bank/bureau de change change obscure currencies ? I have tried Travelex and they don't list Kwanza as a currency they trade.

Due to government driven changes in Angola a dollar cash payment for lunch has been changed to local currency, Kwanza.
Now I don't buy lunch so I have been able to bring home the dollars at the end of each hitch which has been put aside for a US holiday later this year.

It may be I can change the Kwanza at the airport in Luanda, but it could be difficult, actually most things are difficult here. The government wants dollars so will put obstacles in the way of exchanging Kwanza for dollars, I could use a street trader and risk getting robbed, though their rates might be better than official rates.

So, any advise would be appreciated.


Corpulent Tosser

Original Poster:

5,468 posts

276 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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My question is, does any bank/bureau de change change obscure currencies ? I have tried Travelex and they don't list Kwanza as a currency they trade.

Due to government driven changes in Angola a dollar cash payment for lunch has been changed to local currency, Kwanza.
Now I don't buy lunch so I have been able to bring home the dollars at the end of each hitch which has been put aside for a US holiday later this year.

It may be I can change the Kwanza at the airport in Luanda, but it could be difficult, actually most things are difficult here. The government wants dollars so will put obstacles in the way of exchanging Kwanza for dollars, I could use a street trader and risk getting robbed, though their rates might be better than official rates.

So, any advise would be appreciated

Some Gump

13,018 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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I'd try this guy

Corpulent Tosser

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5,468 posts

276 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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I will take a chance with the street traders first wink

Engineer1

10,486 posts

240 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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How much is the change? if it's only a few cents/ dollars treat the change as a souvenir.

stu67

891 posts

219 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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I'm in the same position, I'm sitting in work with a stack of Guinea Francs in my desk. Big wedge sorrounded with elastic bands. I think the current in country rate is about 10,000gf = £, so I'm no millionaire. Keep thinking I'll bin them but something doesnt feel right about doing doing it, hence they are in the man drawer.

LuS1fer

43,565 posts

276 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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Donate it to charity?

BrewsterBear

1,548 posts

223 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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It is illegal under Angolan law to bring Kwanza out of the country and as such you can't change them outside of the country. I too spend dollars and receive the change in Kwanza. It's just a case of spending the change before you leave. Not in Luanda airport though, as the Kwanza man is meant to relieve you of any you have before you get to the departure lounge.

K50 DEL

9,788 posts

259 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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As Brewster has said, it is 100% illegal to remove Kwanza from Angola (I lived there for 3.5 years)
There is even a customs checkpoint at the bottom of the stairs in departures where they will ask you "any local currency" and may even want to see your wallet.

If you're in Luanda then any of the moneychangers on the street will swap your KZ back into USD at a decent rate, other than that it's a case of spend it before you go or find a local to exchange with...

If you have a local Angolan bank account (BNA, Banco Bic or BCI) then you can (theoretically) transfer money out of Angola (the bank will convert KZ into USD for you at point of TxFer) but it's not always easy, if the country are low on US funds then they may refuse the transfer.

Corpulent Tosser

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Tuesday 30th July 2013
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Changes in the law here mean you can take 50000 Kwanza ($500ish) out of the country.

The amount I am holding is a little more than that though.

K50 DEL

9,788 posts

259 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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Corpulent Tosser said:
Changes in the law here mean you can take 50000 Kwanza ($500ish) out of the country.

The amount I am holding is a little more than that though.
Damn, should have sold the ones I smuggled out a few years ago, not going to be worth anything now are they!!

Corpulent Tosser

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Tuesday 30th July 2013
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Fairly recent change in the law allowing Kwaza to be taken out, but from what little success I have had searching for a bureau de change to handle Kwanza it looks like I will just have to take whatever I can get for them here.





K50 DEL

9,788 posts

259 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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Where are you based... Luanda?
I can ask our office girls there if they can help if you'd like?

Corpulent Tosser

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Tuesday 30th July 2013
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I am in Luanda, at Sonils base.
There are money changers outside the gate here (dodgy area but quite a lot of security guards) and also outside the office in town (probably safer there)

I think one of the guards at the office can organise it and there are a few others in the same position so a group buy might be the thing smile

Thanks for the offer though.

K50 DEL

9,788 posts

259 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Corpulent Tosser said:
I am in Luanda, at Sonils base.
There are money changers outside the gate here (dodgy area but quite a lot of security guards) and also outside the office in town (probably safer there)

I think one of the guards at the office can organise it and there are a few others in the same position so a group buy might be the thing smile

Thanks for the offer though.
Not the best of areas no, I still remember watching a Chinese lorry driver and his mate beat the living daylights out of two locals who attempted to rob their truck and get away (through the Sonils traffic) on mopeds... they laid into them with wooden bats, really gave them a hiding. Got all their stuff back though!!

Anyway, money changers... I always used to use the ladies on the road behind the Alvalade Hotel, they seemed to give the best rates, as you say though, one of the money changing "Mr Big" types may do a better deal for a group buy.

Popeyed

566 posts

250 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Do you still have to have a little chat at Luanda airport with a Govenment official and hand over any Angolan currency still in your possession?

Get it changed regardless of rate before you head home, as they will attempt to take it from you at the airport and there is no exchange market for Kwansa outside Angola.

anonymous-user

85 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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I would try and exchange it with somebody you know and trust first, street traders should be a last resort.

4xTrader

156 posts

178 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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I kinda have the same problem with Iraqi Dinars, Travelex used to exchange them, now they have been dropped and i have no way (that i know) to change them in the UK now frown

Corpulent Tosser

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Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Popeyed said:
Do you still have to have a little chat at Luanda airport with a Govenment official and hand over any Angolan currency still in your possession?

Get it changed regardless of rate before you head home, as they will attempt to take it from you at the airport and there is no exchange market for Kwansa outside Angola.
The law changed, you can take up to 50000 Kwanza out, though why anyone would want to if it cannot be changed is another matter.

K50 DEL

9,788 posts

259 months

Thursday 1st August 2013
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Corpulent Tosser said:
Popeyed said:
Do you still have to have a little chat at Luanda airport with a Govenment official and hand over any Angolan currency still in your possession?

Get it changed regardless of rate before you head home, as they will attempt to take it from you at the airport and there is no exchange market for Kwansa outside Angola.
The law changed, you can take up to 50000 Kwanza out, though why anyone would want to if it cannot be changed is another matter.
Yep, I was chatting to one of the Angolans in the office downstairs from us here in Dubai yesterday and he confirmed that you can now remove 50,000 KZ from the country and there are also moves afoot to make you declare the amount of US$ you're carrying on arrival and then declare again when you leave as too much US$ currency is leaving the country in suitcases!